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    They are muslims. But not "true" muslims
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    (Original post by Fiduciam)
    Yes I understand where you're coming from, but they're not seen as Muslims (to me) because as I said I don't even see them as humans. I personally would not have the respect to bury someone like that in accordance to their so called belief after what they've done and the innocent lives they've taken. I'd go as far to say id let them rot. (Does this make me a bad person? lol). So, to me and I'm sure most people who practice Islam - they aren't seen as Muslims, make sense?
    I understand you completely. But I'm not making the emotive argument you are (that they aren't humans etc). They clearly are humans, and they clearly are Muslims. I don't respect them either, but my argument is not an emotive one.
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    (Original post by Fiduciam)
    I gave you an explanation, you said I didn't mention so called explanation in my opening response and now are chatting absolute ****. Save yourself and me the time please.
    His original post made some simply claims about what makes a muslim

    your reply was meaningless in response to this other than the usual straw man
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    (Original post by YA98)
    ISIS go against everything in the image below. There is other stuff too such as not allowing girls the right to education and bombing Mosques etc.
    Tell me how well they respond to you when you take this over to them.
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    (Original post by AlwaysWatching)
    Let me be clear. I don't think Muslims are bad, or that you personally are some sort of evil Jihadist. I don't think ISIS represent Muslims or Islam. That is not the case at all.

    My point is that like members of the IRA are often Catholics, members of ISIS are Muslims. You don't have to associate yourself with them to recognise that.

    Sorry if I was a bit abrasive in my replies above
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    Muslims? Likely

    Representative of Islam? Definitely not (considering all the things they do that are forbidden in Islam)
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    (Original post by zhog)
    You are technically correct, much of what was done in Christ's name disqualifies the usurpers from deserving to be called Christians but... who holds the ultimate definition of what being a Christian or Muslim amounts to, is there even such thing?

    Like with Christianity, there are several branches in terms of interpretation and it would be unfair to pick a particular one as the true voice of God. The same happens within Islam, are Sunnis any more or less Muslim than Shia? There is the death penalty in Saudi and most (all?) other so-called Islamic countries, does that mean they actually are not so?

    ISIS' leader is an authority in religious studies, spent a lot of time on the subject and will know exactly where to find the defence against any charges in his religious textbooks. Muslim or just a common criminal?
    That's a great response and question btw. To themselves yes, they are Muslims/Christians or whatever.
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    I think the big mistake here is you are judging a whole group as if everyone there is the same.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Tell me how well they respond to you when you take this over to them.
    Do you want to come too?
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    (Original post by CheetahCurtis)
    Yes, they are Muslims. No, they don't represent Islam.

    /thread
    one of the few times /thread has been correctly used
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    (Original post by YA98)
    Do you want to come too?
    I'm not the one telling them they are wrong you are.

    I believe them when they say they are Muslims.
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    (Original post by AlwaysWatching)
    I understand you completely. But I'm not making the emotive argument you are (that they aren't humans etc). They clearly are humans, and they clearly are Muslims. I don't respect them either, but my argument is not an emotive one.
    You're totally correct in that respect, yes.. But as touched upon by zhog, where does the line lie? Are they really Muslims because they say they are yet go on to do such things? Would they be accepted (let's say, hypothetically) by their respective God as a Muslim or Christian? Who is to judge whether they are or aren't and on what basis?

    The OP asked whether I think they are, I said no and the posts I've made in this thread are my reasoning behind that.
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    The clue is in the name.
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    (Original post by iamthetruth)
    I think the big mistake here is you are judging a whole group as if everyone there is the same.
    No they are not judging (Wthell does that even mean)

    It's a simple question. Are members of ISIS Muslims

    If I had one on the phone right now would he answer yes or no?
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    Yes in the same way the KKK say they are Christian.

    ISIS, Boko haram, etc attack more Muslims than Westerners. ISIS even have a huge gulf with Al Quaeda-they have little in common with Muslims including other terrorist groups evidently.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    No they are not judging (Wthell does that even mean)

    It's a simple question. Are members of ISIS Muslims

    If I had one on the phone right now would he answer yes or no?
    Yeah I'm saying how should I know what they truly believe or not?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    I'm not the one telling them they are wrong you are.

    I believe them when they say they are Muslims.
    I didn't say they weren't Muslims.
    Look no.9 in the image
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    (Original post by YA98)
    I didn't say they weren't Muslims.
    Look no.9 in the image
    So the answer to the question

    Are ISIS militants MUSLIMS?

    is Yes and did you vote Yes?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    I'm not the one telling them they are wrong you are.

    I believe them when they say they are Muslims.
    You won't believe fellow Muslims in your country that distance themselves from ISIS, but you'll believe ISIS when they try and associate themselves with Islam.

    Logic.
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    (Original post by Fiduciam)
    ... Did your RE classes tell you Muslims were terrorists? :eek:
    No. They skipped that bit.
    They skipped the part about the Jewish Master Race and violent Jesus too.
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    (Original post by Fiduciam)
    You're totally correct in that respect, yes.. But as touched upon by zhog, where does the line lie? Are they really Muslims because they say they are yet go on to do such things? Would they be accepted (let's say, hypothetically) by their respective God as a Muslim or Christian? Who is to judge whether they are or aren't and on what basis?

    The OP asked whether I think they are, I said no and the posts I've made in this thread are my reasoning behind that.
    The person to judge is God/ Allah on judgement day. If they claim to be a Muslim and follow Islamic principles and ideology, then until they die and get judged then we should see them as Muslims.

    Not burying a Catholic with Catholic rituals because he was a shop worker who did Sunday shifts is no different to not burying a Catholic with Catholic rituals because he was a murderer. They are both great sins. Lets see some perspective to this. Do not kill is less important than honouring your parents or keeping Sunday's a holy day. The latter two appear before the commandment of "Do not kill", therefore deliberately giving the impression that those two are more important than not killing. It's the same for Muslims. But would you really not bury a catholic worker who did the Sunday shift in accordance to his religion? No, of course not, the same applies to a murderer. You would bury both with accordance to Catholic values, because even though they sinned greatly, they are Catholics.

    The exact same applies to Muslims.
 
 
 
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