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Not bomb Syria.
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The way people go on about Islam and the ME on here, it's like that's the only thing that's important to them.
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The way people go on about Islam and the ME on here, it's like that's the only thing that's important to them.
Bar Russia, it's our only real enemy.
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Bar Russia, it's our only real enemy.
Boo hoo, cry me a river and get a grip. Tribalistic nonsense likd "us and them" has no place in the real world.
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Not bomb Syria.
After the coalition has left Iraq and Syria alone, what will you do in a decade when ISIS have spread across the Arab World like a plague. Will you recognise it as a state? Will you negotiate and comprise with it?

You pacifists just don't understand the world we live in. ISIS is an enemy of the west and for that alone, they must be crushed. If ISIS spreads across the Arab World then the sentiment to Muslims will become so bad that the people's patience will run out and we will be at war with Islam.
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Boo hoo, cry me a river and get a grip. Tribalistic nonsense likd "us and them" has no place in the real world.
Okay.. how do you describe ISIS? Do you not think that the EU and Russia are both trying to expand their border?

'Us and them' will probably always exist, the only difference is that the world is evolving to competing blocks rather than 200 countries competing against each other. Those blocks though are still very much acting in their own interest at the cost of others.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
After the coalition has left Iraq and Syria alone, what will you do in a decade when ISIS have spread across the Arab World like a plague. Will you recognise it as a state? Will you negotiate and comprise with it?

You pacifists just don't understand the world we live in. ISIS is an enemy of the west and for that alone, they must be crushed. If ISIS spreads across the Arab World then the sentiment to Muslims will become so bad that the people's patience will run out and we will be at war with Islam.
You're right, let me rephrase my sentence.

Not bomb Iraq, so that I won't have to bomb Syria later on.
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(Original post by BookBird)
You're right, let me rephrase my sentence.

Not bomb Iraq, so that I won't have to bomb Syria later on.
To be fair, the Arab Spring occurred in Tunisia and Egypt where the regimes were untouched and we never really opposed Assad properly until chaos had already taken over. It's possible Iraq and Libya may have seen genocide from the regime but i suspect there's have been enough chaos in the likes of Syria that we'd see something like ISIS grow.

It's too simplistic to say that if Saddam was around, everything will be peachy. Let's not forget that Gadaffi essentially endorsed the bombing of a UK flight before 9/11 so it's not like we were all cuddle buddies.
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To be fair, the Arab Spring occurred in Tunisia and Egypt where the regimes were untouched and we never really opposed Assad properly until chaos had already taken over. It's possible Iraq and Libya may have seen genocide from the regime but i suspect there's have been enough chaos in the likes of Syria that we'd see something like ISIS grow.

It's too simplistic to say that if Saddam was around, everything will be peachy. Let's not forget that Gadaffi essentially endorsed the bombing of a UK flight before 9/11 so it's not like we were all cuddle buddies.
You are right. I just hate war and the possibility of innocent people dying as a result of it.
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Spend..

1) Commit to a fiscal surplus and creation of a sovereign wealth fund.

2) Commit to reducing the size of the state as a percentage of GDP every single year

3) Cut the welfare and foreign aid budgets while increasing the defense and capital spending budgets (transport, housing, energy).

Tax..

1) Lower 45% income tax threshold to £100k and use any revenue to abolish National Insurance.

2) Aim to abolish VAT and Business Rates while setting Corporation Tax at 20%.

3) Commit to reducing the tax burden on the average person as a percentage of GDP every single year

Regulation

1) Any Plc recording a net profit margin in excess of 10% will be required to increase wages for the lowest quartile of employees by 5% during the following financial year

2) Ownership and Control will have split shares. Nobody born outside the UK in new Plc's will be permitted to control more than 45% of the firm.

3) All franchised contracts issued by government will be reviewed with changes in structure to follow in order to promote competition. This will also be the case where government provides subsidy or guarantee to the private sector.
I assume all your roads would be toll roads? With toll booths every 500 metres?

There would be no railways in your society, as they require subsidy.

Packs of starving people would roam the streets, killing as they go. OK with you presumably.

Libertarians have all the answers. :rolleyes:
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You are right. I just hate war and the possibility of innocent people dying as a result of it.
Humanity will never escape wars, they are written into our DNA. As brilliant and compassionate as we can be, we are also deeply territorial and violent (as the old phrase goes 'we invent new and better ways to kill each other'). It is the price of being a predator
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I assume all your roads would be toll roads? With toll booths every 500 metres?

There would be no railways in your society, as they require subsidy.

Packs of starving people would roam the streets, killing as they go. OK with you presumably.

Libertarians have all the answers. :rolleyes:
I'm not a libertarian.

Actually in my society we'd see significant railway investment (capital spending would more than double under my reign albeit other budgets would be slashed) along with a state operator running half the services per route to encourage competition and innovation from the private sector (open access applications would be encouraged too).

I do actually have some sympathy for toll roads but i'd probably only apply them to the routes entering and exiting the core 8 cities+London+Southampton.

There'd be no starving people roaming the streets. The welfare cuts would be orientated around scrapping working tax credits, capping housing benefit at £1600 per month, means testing, scrapping child benefit (simply raise child tax credits by the equivalent amount), revaluing for council tax, scrapping the pension credit (raise the state pension to compensate) and scrapping the winter fuel allowance in addition to capping the rise in welfare payments at 2%. I would consider using say 1% of the revenue in the sovereign wealth fund each year to fund the child trust funds again (no access until 16) and there's a lot of pension reform.

I'm not a monster though. The bedroom tax would be dealt with on a council by council basis, a moving grant created to shift people to the authorities where they have housing and sanctions would be abolished in terms of the stopped payments and replaced with the emergency loan feature of universal credit as standard over a longer period. After 6 months though you'd be reduced to food vouchers and travel passes to prevent continuous borrowing.

The long term unemployed (12 months) under 30 would also be conscripted into basic training as part of the defense expansion.
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So you have a chance to be the Prime minister, what would you do?

This is what I would do:

1) Make university tuition fees free for all, including free masters degrees.
2) Nationalise the railways.
3) Amend the smoking ban so pubs are allowed to have smoking areas.
4) Establish close relations with Putin's Russia.
5) Drink driving to be a motoring offence like speeding rather than a criminal offence, and the ban to be discretionary.
6) A mansion tax and second homes tax.
7) The rich to pay more taxes.
8) Rent caps for housing, especially in London
9) Reduce house prices so its possible to buy a 2 bedroom house anywhere in the UK for less than £90,000! Made affordable with mansion tax.
10) Speeding cameras to be abolished.
11) Consider a Union with Russia and Belarus as an alternative to the EU.
12) Support Bashar Al Assad in bringing peace to Syria, but allow the Kurds their own state.
13) Establish good ties with Iran.
14) Give people more say in local government.
15) Dental fees and prescriptions to be free.
16) Abolish and reverse welfare reforms, making sanctions fairer, abolish work capability assessment and workfare.
17) Support British tourism, by encouraging people to holiday in the UK.
18) Allow people more freedom of speech on the internet.
19) Reduce fuel tax in rural areas where car dependancy is essential.
20) Don't put the clocks back in October.
1) lower tuition fees (to about 3000) but keep it
2) keep railways private
3) keep the smoking ban
4) put more pressure on rogue authoritarian states like Russia
5) keep the ban in place
6) agree to tax on second homes
7) agree to raising tax
8) agree to rent caps in crowded areas
9) agree to reducing house prices but not by mansion tax
10) disagree with abolishing speeding cameras
11) absolutely avoid any union with awful Eastern European countries
12) support a ground invasion to remove Assad and allow Kurds independence
13) work to destabilise Iran
14) agreed to more say in local government
15) agreed to free dental care
16) disagree to abolishing welfare reforms
17) agreed to encouraging local holidays
18) disagree with allowing more freedom on the Internet
19) agreed to reducing fuel tax, but encourage other forms of transport
20) wtf serious
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(Original post by Ambitious1999)
So you have a chance to be the Prime minister, what would you do?

This is what I would do:

1) Make university tuition fees free for all, including free masters degrees.
2) Nationalise the railways.
3) Amend the smoking ban so pubs are allowed to have smoking areas.
4) Establish close relations with Putin's Russia.
5) Drink driving to be a motoring offence like speeding rather than a criminal offence, and the ban to be discretionary.
6) A mansion tax and second homes tax.
7) The rich to pay more taxes.
8) Rent caps for housing, especially in London
9) Reduce house prices so its possible to buy a 2 bedroom house anywhere in the UK for less than £90,000! Made affordable with mansion tax.
10) Speeding cameras to be abolished.
11) Consider a Union with Russia and Belarus as an alternative to the EU.
12) Support Bashar Al Assad in bringing peace to Syria, but allow the Kurds their own state.
13) Establish good ties with Iran.
14) Give people more say in local government.
15) Dental fees and prescriptions to be free.
16) Abolish and reverse welfare reforms, making sanctions fairer, abolish work capability assessment and workfare.
17) Support British tourism, by encouraging people to holiday in the UK.
18) Allow people more freedom of speech on the internet.
19) Reduce fuel tax in rural areas where car dependancy is essential.
20) Don't put the clocks back in October.
1, paid for how? In year one this would cost well in excess of 100 billion and about 30 billion a year subsequently.

2. Fine, you can wait for contracts to run out or pay massive buyouts if you want it done immediately. You will then have to make up the shortfall entirely yourself as it is a loss making business.

3. Fine, it should be up to the owner anyway

4. Why? What's the point? I'd just ignore them and get on with it.

5. Fine, no big deal.

6. Why? Why not just reform council tax? Why tax second homes?

7. The richest 1% pay a third of all taxes in the uk already how much would you like to raise tax as the 50p rate rose nothing, that isn't speculation it's fact.

8. why cap rents? Why not just build millions of new homes?

9. This is the most retarded thing you have said! If you collapse house prices then people don't pay mortgages which are bigger than the new value of their home. Banks then collapse..... Anything sounding familiar to you?

10. Fine..... But why? Where is the lost revenue going to be made up?

11. Why do we need to be in a union with anyone? Especially with those two economic basket cases. Do you think we are going to be selling our service sector to Belarus as that is our biggest export

12. Support Assad and get million more Muslims to hate the uk, great. Support any side with military support and it comes with a price tag and millions more Muslims hating us.
Do nothing and that costs us nothing and millions of extra people don't hate us.

13. Why? What's the benefit?

14. Ok, like what?

15. Great I agree but extra cost paid for how?

16. Again paid for how???

17. Every government ever has done this.

18. Great first thing we agree on

19. Very difficult to do as it would need a whole vetting system, it would be far easier to blanket reduce fuel tax, but paid for how?

20. Great a second thing we agree on


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Legalize Cannabis.
The taxes could pay for all the mental health workers to deal with all the toxic psychosis and paranoia issues


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I'm not a libertarian.

Actually in my society we'd see significant railway investment (capital spending would more than double under my reign albeit other budgets would be slashed) along with a state operator running half the services per route to encourage competition and innovation from the private sector (open access applications would be encouraged too).

I do actually have some sympathy for toll roads but i'd probably only apply them to the routes entering and exiting the core 8 cities+London+Southampton.

There'd be no starving people roaming the streets. The welfare cuts would be orientated around scrapping working tax credits, capping housing benefit at £1600 per month, means testing, scrapping child benefit (simply raise child tax credits by the equivalent amount), revaluing for council tax, scrapping the pension credit (raise the state pension to compensate) and scrapping the winter fuel allowance in addition to capping the rise in welfare payments at 2%. I would consider using say 1% of the revenue in the sovereign wealth fund each year to fund the child trust funds again (no access until 16) and there's a lot of pension reform.

I'm not a monster though. The bedroom tax would be dealt with on a council by council basis, a moving grant created to shift people to the authorities where they have housing and sanctions would be abolished in terms of the stopped payments and replaced with the emergency loan feature of universal credit as standard over a longer period. After 6 months though you'd be reduced to food vouchers and travel passes to prevent continuous borrowing.

The long term unemployed (12 months) under 30 would also be conscripted into basic training as part of the defense expansion.
I don't see how you can have perpetually declining government (as in your earlier post) and not basically be a libertarian or anarchist? Surely the logical outcome is zero government?

Not sure the armed forces will want many of the permanently unemployed, who feature large numbers of drug users, socially deprived misfits, etc. Not all by any means, but a large number are probably unemployable and would doubtless resist all efforts to be retrained for your mass militia.

I'm relieved you're not a monster and will force the poor out of their homelands in London to places they care nothing about by using forced internal migration measures similar to those deployed in such beacons of modern liberty and progress as Soviet republics or apartheid South Africa. Nice one. :five:
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I don't see how you can have perpetually declining government (as in your earlier post) and not basically be a libertarian or anarchist? Surely the logical outcome is zero government?

Not sure the armed forces will want many of the permanently unemployed, who feature large numbers of drug users, socially deprived misfits, etc. Not all by any means, but a large number are probably unemployable and would doubtless resist all efforts to be retrained for your mass militia.

I'm relieved you're not a monster and will force the poor out of their homelands in London to places they care nothing about by using forced internal migration measures similar to those deployed in such beacons of modern liberty and progress as Soviet republics or apartheid South Africa. Nice one. :five:
While i want reduction as a percentage of GDP in tax and spend when you consider increases in capital spending, defense and the sovereign wealth fund the result is not as heavy as it first looks. I have sympathy for the libertarians but like socialists i view them as naive with too much faith in people. I prefer to embrace what we are and use it to suit my own self interest.

That's why i said basic training, they'd still have to pass to the standard of any other recruit. The worst case scenario is they spend 2 years in basic training at essentially a fitness camp. The best case is that they are inspired and learn discipline.

Social cleansing will just have to do for the good of the taxpayer.
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