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    Quite astounded, in one hand you have bear supporters who repetitively state that the bear is unbeatable to a lion, and in the other hand you have animals such as dogs, wolves, boars, mules, pumas, and donkeys killing hundreds of black and brown bears...

    In reverse, could any one show hundreds of accounts of the specific predatory opposite where a leopard (puma), hyena (wolves) killing hundreds of lions? It seems bears are no so unbeatable to animals who are inferior to the prowess of lions, if they can kill a grizzly bear, I see no reason why the bear is titled as unbeatable towards a lion.
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    About the romans:



    the lion is king of beasts and supreme over all other beasts. The bear, while it certainly is a predator to be feared, did not match the speed nor the strength of the Lion ~ Ronald C. Ware
    https://books.google.com/books?id=bw...ile%22&f=false

    About the roman records:



    like a bear, a beast second only to the lion in its strength and fierceness,
    ~Tokunboh Adeyemo - ‎2010 M.Th. from Talbot School of Theology/Biola University, California, U.S.A
    https://www.google.com/#tbm=bks&hl=e...erceness%2C%22

    About the romans:

    The bear is the strongest beast after the lion and is distinguished for its voracity, but it has none of the agility~Clarence Larkin - ‎2010
    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbm=bk...er+the+lion%22



    Lioness kills bear in roman arena:
    http://books.google.com/books?id=nhh...ed=0CCoQ6AEwAQ

    They also venerated certain animals, especially the most powerful of them all, the lion
    https://books.google.com/books?id=Bu...ful%22&f=false

    Cruel and rapacious as the others, the bear is inferior in strength and courage to the lion
    https://books.google.com/books?id=L7...ion%22&f=false

    (Cicero)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero

    Cicero mentions a single lion that won 200 Bestariis (This is a Bestarii)


    http://books.google.com/books?id=Un9...ed=0CDIQ6AEwAg



    Lion kills bear in roman arena: The gladiators halted in front of the magistrates' bench, threw their weapons into the air, and then turned to...the bear stood growling in the centre of thearena, the lion march back to Round and round they whirled; little could be seen but flying sand and mangled fur. Then a pitiful cry came from the bear and blood began to flow into the sand. The lion stood over him, gnawing at the bear's throat. Out into the middle of the arena came men with nets, quietly approaching the victorious lion to throw their nets over him and drag him away.
    https://www.google.com/#tbm=bks&q=cr...ddle+of+the%22

    the lion hung on until the brown beast was dead:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=7I...eopard&f=false

    Another lion named Liokos kills bear named shardik in roman arenas:

    http://www.crystalwebvision.com/aedil/april5.htm

    Anne Commire, ‎Deborah Klezmer - 2002 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions This feat was followed by the release of a specially trained lion, which the lioness also battled until both beasts died
    https://www.google.com/#tbm=bks&hl=e...bear+apart.%22

    Only lions ever mentioned winning, the only time a bear was ever mentioned winning in rome was a fictional book:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=ng...0fight&f=false

    see the criteria in the middle in blue...fiction:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=ng...gbs_navlinks_s



    while the lion's fangs in ire Gnash, and the prostrate bear howls overthrown
    https://books.google.com/books?id=bs...ear%22&f=false

    Thelion, overwhelmed at this bestial crime against companionship, then killed the bear. [Ripa .
    https://books.google.com/books?id=ue...romans&f=false

    Barbary lion:

    Another subspecies very closely related to the Asian lion - the Barbary lion or Panthera leo leo - became extinct in the wild in 1922 (in Morocco). This Barbary lion had been the dominant animal in the blood sports of the Roman arenas.
    http://www.pothos.org/content/index.php?page=lions
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    A bear would never manage a tactics like this against the Barbary:


    A single blow from the lion would cave in his skull.
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    could you post a better pic of the lion vs bear above?


    i think i could draw a conclusion if a better pic had been shown?
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    (Original post by Proxenus)
    could you post a better pic of the lion vs bear above?


    i think i could draw a conclusion if a better pic had been shown?
    lol
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    (Original post by Sword of Justice)
    lol
    stop loling me and say yes or no if u r able to do my request
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    (Original post by Proxenus)
    stop loling me and say yes or no if u r able to do my request
    What?
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    Heres what terrell jacobs said in an interview:

    He thereupon presented Mr. Terrell Jacobs, the gent who mixes lions and tigers in the same act and somehow manages to keep them from clawing each other to pieces. "The lion is the king of beasts," said Mr. Jacobs as soon as the subject was mentioned, "and that is not just a nice line that was thought up by the Chamber of Commerce. He really is the boss. "I'll concede that a full grown tiger can defeat a lioness or even a young lion. But put a full grown lion against a full grown tiger, and you are likely to have only the lion left when the fur stops flying. "And that is not hard to understand. All cat animals fight by biting at the throat, and clawing at the underparts of the body.

    The male lion has a thick mane, which protects his throat, so he needn't worry about that. All he has to do is work on the tiger, which is not protected by a mane. And he usually does. I think the king of beasts would win a fight between the lion and the tiger, but mind you, I am not taking sides. Tigers are nable animals, too." "But what about a lion and a grizzly bear?" Mr. Jacobs was asked. He confessed he didn't know. He had never heard of such a meeting. But he believed that if one ever took place, the lion would win. "In addition to his teeth," said Mr. Jacobs, "the lion has 18 claws which are dangerous weapons. On each front paw he has a thumb, two scissors and two rippers. On each back paw he has four ripping claws. For protection he has his mane and his own strength. "A grizzly bear slaps, and then grabs hold of his opponent, and squeezes him, I believe," he expanded. "While he was squeezing the lion, the lion would be biting him in the throat, and ripping him in the body with his claws. I think the lion would win such a battle."

    https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/98054180/
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    So clyde beatty sees the hierarchy as Lion > Bear > Tiger.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNK78cl2wto
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    Where you have bears usually dominated by bulls, lions do fairly better:

    At this time the Circus was appearing in bullfight arenas and the feature of the show was a fight between a bull and a lion but the lion always won and but for the thousands this attracted it would have been en expensive attraction. like a good idee to substitute Barney 1'cr the bull thus killing Berney saving a bull and packing- the people in with something new and different.
    http://www.circushistory.org/Pdf/BandwagonJun1946.pdf
    The contest was awarded to the lion on default and the bear was drummed out of the fighting fraternity. But Colonel Boone still holds his opinion about the California grizzly. Parnell was afterwards fought against four bulls, one at a time, and in the last encounter lost his life. The first bovine gladiator was old, and he was killed easily by the lion- The second and third made a better fight, but were put out of time in a little while, the fourth bull caught Parnell in the mouth with its horn and drove the horn up through the roof of the mouth into the lion's brain, killing him.
    The Anaconda Standard from Anaconda, Montana · Page 4


    Lion known to kill 17 bulls:
    The Evening News - Google News Archive Search



    Lion name Prince killed a champion fighting bull

    Meriden Daily Republican - Google News Archive Search

    The driver laid the brakes failed near the bottom of a steep hill. After a 18-hour fight, a lion killed a bull buffalo in South Africa.
    Joplin Globe from Joplin, Missouri · Page 11

    Lion who killed 12 bulls
    Toledo Blade - Google News Archive Search


    Mexican circus in Nogales, Sonora suited when Pendo caused her to an African lion killed a large bull

    LION KILLS BULL IN FIGHT STAGED IN NOGALES CIRCUS — Daily Times (Longmont) June 10, 1925 — Colorado Historic Newspapers Collection
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    Another driver told ours that a lion had just killed a buffalo. We raced over, there were no other minivans. The young male lion was still panting. Only a male lion can bring down an adult buffalo alone.
    "Another driver told ours that a lion had just killed a buffalo. We raced over, there were no other minivans. The young male lion was still panting. Only a male lion can bring down an adult buffalo alone." - Google Search

    such as Kruger National Park in South Africa, male lions do kill their own prey
    Mammals of the Southern Hemisphere

    male lionsmake significant contributions by slaughtering big but relatively slow-moving animals, such as buffalo (Syncerus caffer), weighing up to four times their own ...Lion

    Kruger male lions obtain most of their food by killing it themselves, and male and female lions in Kruger tend to kill different types of prey. Males kill mainly buffalo
    "Kruger male lions obtain most of their food by killing it themselves, and male and female lions in Kruger tend to kill different types of prey. Males kill mainly buffalo" - Google Search

    while kills made by male lions average 399 kg (880 lb).
    Wild Animals Of India

    Kruger National Park has shown that non-territorialmale lions predominantly kill buffaloes (73%)
    "Kruger National Park has shown that non-territorial male lions predominantly kill buffaloes (73%)" - Google Search

    ride males (N= 55) Buffalo 59%
    "ride males (N= 55) Buffalo 59%" - Google Search

    According to Bourliere (I963) adult buffalo regularly fall prey to lion.
    "According to Bourliere (I963) adult buffalo regularly fall prey to lion" - Google Search

    single Lion can kill an adult buffalo with ease, and there is no doubt that buffaloes do have a deep hatred of the Lion,
    "single Lion can kill an adult buffalo with ease, and there is no doubt that buffaloes do have a deep hatred of the Lion" -Google Search

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    Lions hunt on a regular basis things like buffalo that are in the 800 - 1,500 lb range, while brown bears most preferred food is fish a 8-15 lb food. It seems the bear has no feats that even comes close the lions, not even ten photos/videos of a bear attacking or killing a bull moose or bison, while there are thousands of records of lions killing buffalo.
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    Fierce Fight to the Death ln a Menagerie at New Orleans. New Orleans, La., Feb. 4. An attraction not down on the programme was presented at Wombwell's Menagerie last nlght after tbe performance was over and the keepers were feeding the animals. It was a fight to a finish between the lion Nerd and a huge bear, in which the king of the forest fully sustained his claim to the title. "The two beasts were in a cage with only a partition separating them. Big chunks of meat were thrown in to them. The bear was )riven the smaller share and finished his meal first Then he glanced sullenly through the bars at the lion and made a sudden lunge to get at him.

    The partition gave way and soon the two animals were engaged in a life-and-death struggle. It lasted, however, but a short time. The two brutes swayed backward and forward for a while, when suddenly Nero disengaged himself from bruin's embrace and with a powerful blow of his huge paw came squarely down on the bear' back, breaking the 'spinal column as if it had been a twig. The bear fell over dead and the conqueror walked sedately back to where he bad been eating. Lying down be calmly resumed his meal, at the same time keeping one eye on the carcass of bit enemy.
    https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/33789852/
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    A Carpathian Bear Killed by One Blow from a Lions Paw at Wombwell's Show.

    Last night Wombwell's menagerie. at the corner of Howard avenue and Lee circle, was crowded with visitors to witness the many attractions. Though the weather was better cold outside, inside the big tent things were so snugly arranged mat everyone was comfortable. The big crowd enjoyed the different amusements offered, but had they remained a while longer they would have witnessed something that was not on the regular programme a fight between the giant lion Nero and a big black Carpathian bear. weighing about 950 pounds. There were a small number of spectators on hand. however, watching the animals being fed with raw meat, and they saw the encounter between these two ferocious beasts.

    They were in a cage together, with a partition separating them. The partition had become worn, and it was intended that this morning it be repaired. Greats chunks of meat were thrown the two animals. The lion, with his mass pounds of muscle and" bone, 1 1." u iuc utui , luici ui? titiier nmsneu hist. Then he glanced sullenly over through the Pars at the lion and bear, h Inline to get to him. Sure enough the partition broke. and in a moment the two animals were locked in a regular dim I'ov.-j 'death embrace." Cart. Maitland, Ui.-uta'jer of tne sbo. savs that the: fight was of very short duration. however, and in that time he saw cxemrtiined the marvelous strength with which the naturalists accredit lions.

    The bear fought and bit the lion for a few seconds, scratching his face to some extent and biting a small piece out of his paw. They swayed backward and forward for a while, when suddenly the lion drew back his tremendous paw' and dealt the bear a blow across the back that resounded all over the circus enclosure. It landed squarely on the bear's back breaking the spinal column as If It were a twig. the bear fell back dead, and the monarch of the forest. after sniffing at the dead carcass, walked back to where he had been eating and Irinrr alown facing the dead bear resumed his crunching on the meat before him. Capt, Maitland says. that he never before had any idea of the immense strength in the paw of a lion. The blow he hit the bear was of such force that the. spinal column hardly offered resistance to it. It was like the force of a battering ram 'be- tnnri a alT'tl-tnr4i nrAaani. n ...n, T,a bear was making every effort to chew up his lordly antagonist just before he was struck, while the lii did not nse h's tfsTU at all.
    https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/138246807/
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    No paw swipes are used by bears while fighting:
    https://youtu.be/G8mJX9N6WWg

    Lions have knock out power:
    https://youtu.be/Ite9n38wvG4?t=61
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    I think its funny that bear fans always say a bear can crush the skull of a lion, or break the lions back with a single paw swipe, then they act as if they have Phd's on bear biology and throw in all sorts of pseudo arguments...well a bear breaking the skull of a lion is because (insert ******** assumption)

    1.) The bear is 4x heavier, more muscle equals more strength

    2.) The lions skull and skeleton is is built rather thin, a slight tap can shatter it

    3.) Paw crushing is the bears favorite move, its been done thousands of times on bulls

    Ha ha, yeah right....this is why they cant show a single video of a bear throwing a paw blow that causes any damage just once, this is why lions hold the record for the most skeletal muscle percent than any other mammal on the planet, this is why lions can take punishment from elands, giraffes, buffalo, hippos, rhinos all day long, yet a bear 1/4th their sizes is some how more powerful.

    They dont even have 10 accounts through out all of history of a bear killing something with its paw as a blunt weapon, yet with zero evidence they make it out to be 100% probable, and yet with lions on record killing hundreds of things with their paws as blunt weapons, hundreds of videos of them using their paws as striking weapons when fighting, killing things from small hyena, to 2,000 lb elands, and killing over 5 bears with one blow from the paw from credible sources, but when its said a lion can kill a bear with a blow from the paw, to bear fans this is a 100% improbable thing.

    Ha ha, butt hurt.
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    Crowd Sees Lion Kill Bear in Fight CORRT, Pa., July IS. In a cage battle, which resulted when the keeper of the menagerie of a street carnival showing here left a cage door open, a lion killed a half-grown bear last night. The fight occurred at the close of the performance and it was witnessed by many persons. Keepers drove the lion back into his cage
    Pittsburgh Daily Post from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania · Page 1





    Lion Kills Bear. In a phorl battle at the carnival grounds in Corry Monday night. bo - tween members of tiie hear and the lion families the latter was returned uie victor an or Having delivered a vicious assault on the bruin's head quarters. There was nothing to the skirmish, for the hear was outclassed outgeneraled and outslugged and never had a ghost of a show with the African jungle King, it was all over in the twinkling of an eye and the bear lay quite dead on the floor of his cage which the lion had invaded in making the at tack.
    The Kane Republican from Kane, Pennsylvania · Page 2



    The lion again sprang and was again shaken off. A third time it was shaken off, but this time the lion, annoyed, gave it a swipe with one of its paws, and broke its back. killing it with a single blow.
    The Iola Register from Iola, Kansas · Page 6
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    Where do you find all this information? You could probably do a dissertation on it
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Where do you find all this information? You could probably do a dissertation on it
    Newspaper archives...

    Here, I just found another one:


    Otherwise, there would be more scraps between them than a few. "As it is, there are plenty. There was one lion we had that killed a polar bear and two Thibet bears, bit a tiger in the back and nearly killed it: and once, while in the runway after a performance, he grabbed a lioness and carried her into the arena. "Nero, as we called that lion, made a mistake that time, though, because the hole lioness turned on him in the arena and thrashed him well, hurting him badly in the fight. "There isu't cue of us in the place that hadn't been bitten and clawed a lot, generally, however, unintentionally. This' may Found strange, but it is true, nevertheless. "You see, the big cats don't know how strong t-hey are, and the curved claws are like steel hooks, curving inward as they i,.; and once they sink in. something ha to come with them. A lion can hurt you just as badly by placing his paw easily on your hand or lez and simply sinking his claws in and contracting them, as though he made a swipe at you...

    And the same is true of all the cats. ! Lions are the easiest to train as a rule, because less nervous than the others. It doesn't at what age you bozin to work them. and. as matter of fact, those direct from the wilds are easier to train than then born in captivity. "Most of them are just as notional as any woman ever thought of being. They take likes and dislikes, and they stick to them f,r good. "'I have a photograph of one of my lions taken with a Philadelphia minister, a Presbyterian. I think he was. who came into the place one day, and after standing in front of the cage for sometime, asked me if he could go into the case. I let him o so. and that lion just made the biggest f-- over him you ever heard of and kicked up an awful Vow when he left the caze. If that m:.n were to come in now and whistle for the lion, the brute would howl like mad uptil the minister went over to his caze and stroked him. "I remember once, in Buffalo, putting- a little b!a-k cur dog in a cage with a lion and tiger that worked together.
    Democrat and Chronicle from Rochester, New York · Page 21
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    Heres an extended one on sultan the brother of parnell who killed bulls and bears, sultan killed a small bear:

    Then the lion abandoned his long- range style and adopted instead an effective method of in-fighting. The two clinched, the little bear making a game fight of it, but the lion caught him by the back of the neck and shook him as a cat does a mouse. Meanwhile over one thousand people had gathered in front of the building and were eagerly watching the novel battle. Col. boone had been found, and arrived with his boots, an iron prod and a piece of beef about the size of a water pail. The lion had about shaken the life out of his little adversary, and was slamming the nearly dead little bear up and down the cage as a terrier would a rat.
    https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/14280950/
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    Another article that covered the 4 lions who fought 3 polar bears



    THREE BEARS AND FOUR LIONS IN MORTAL COMBAT PARIS, March. A battle royal between four lions and three polar bears Caused great excitement In the village of Cauderan, near Bordeaux. A traveling circus, with a menagerie, had come to the village, and during the night four lions, which were penned in a cage alongside , three white bears, broke through the partition and attacked the tears. There was a furious struggle between the seven wild beasts, and the whole village was awakened by their roars. The servants of the menagerie succeeded at last In separating the combatants, but when the victorious lions retired one of the bears was dead. The other two bruins were badly bitten and wounded. The lions were uninjured.
    https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/138942710/

    Thats like 3,000 lbs of bear vs 2,000 lbs of lion, and the lions still won.



    LARGE MALE LION KILLS A HYENA...A lion name Prince...This lion killed a polar bear two months ago.
    The Marion Star from Marion, Ohio · Page 1
 
 
 
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