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    RayApparently toronto353 Hey, I'd like to request a vote on this thing once the debate is over, please. Thank you.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    RayApparently toronto353 Hey, I'd like to request a vote on this thing once the debate is over, please. Thank you.
    I'll put it to vote when the debate has concluded.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    RayApparently toronto353 Hey, I'd like to request a vote on this thing once the debate is over, please. Thank you.
    (Original post by toronto353)
    I'll put it to vote when the debate has concluded.
    The GD states that such a request can only be made once this has gone into cessation.
    (Original post by Guidance Document)
    7) SoIs may be sent to vote at any point during their cessation period by notifying the Speaker. The members who may do so are the Minister whose Department submitted the SoI, the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    The GD states that such a request can only be made once this has gone into cessation.
    Because clearly we'll forget about it if we have to wait. Is this part of the GD binding? The only reasonable way to stop the vote is to save us time and withdraw it.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    The GD states that such a request can only be made once this has gone into cessation.
    With all due respect, I don't think this ought to be followed to the letter - it is needless bureaucracy, and the intention is clearly to prevent others cutting the debate short.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    The GD states that such a request can only be made once this has gone into cessation.
    The GD states that 'SoIs may be sent to vote at any point during their cessation period by notifying the Speaker.' Nowhere in that clause does it state that the request can't be made earlier, just that it can't go to vote before that cessation period.
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    Because clearly we'll forget about it if we have to wait. Is this part of the GD binding? The only reasonable way to stop the vote is to save us time and withdraw it.
    No, but the idea of the GD is that the Speaker/Deputy Speaker observes it.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    No, but the idea of the GD is that the Speaker/Deputy Speaker observes it.
    Which I have done - the vote will happen after this SOI has had its allotted debate time (i.e. once it's in cessation). The only thing that Life_peer has done differently is to request now that a vote happens in that period, something not precluded by the GD.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    The GD states that 'SoIs may be sent to vote at any point during their cessation period by notifying the Speaker.' Nowhere in that clause does it state that the request can't be made earlier, just that it can't go to vote before that cessation period.
    Yes it does. That clause states two things: one, an SoI is sent to vote when the Speaker is notified. Two, this can only happen while the SoI is in cessation.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Yes it does. That clause states two things: one, an SoI is sent to vote when the Speaker is notified. Two, this can only happen while the SoI is in cessation.
    No it doesn't - I urge you to re-read the clause. The clause states that:

    'SoIs may be sent to vote at any point during their cessation period by notifying the Speaker.'

    Nowhere does it say when this request can or cannot happen nor does it expressly forbid it happening during the debate. The only thing it sets out for certain is when the vote can take place. Now were your argument to be correct, the clause would have to read:

    'SoIs may be sent to vote at any point during their cessation period by notifying the Speaker during the cessation period.'

    It doesn't state that ergo the request can be made at any time.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    No it doesn't - I urge you to re-read the clause. The clause states that:

    'SoIs may be sent to vote at any point during their cessation period by notifying the Speaker.'

    Nowhere does it say when this request can or cannot happen nor does it expressly forbid it happening during the debate. The only thing it sets out for certain is when the vote can take place. Now were your argument to be correct, the clause would have to read:

    'SoIs may be sent to vote at any point during their cessation period by notifying the Speaker during the cessation period.'

    It doesn't state that ergo the request can be made at any time.
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