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    (Original post by Final Fantasy)
    Ahmadiyya Muslims don't believe in a god?
    It's not that they don't believe in God. It's that they are nullifying one of the fundamentals of the religion.
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    (Original post by AlifunArnab)
    It's not that they don't believe in God. It's that they are nullifying one of the fundamentals of the religion.
    The only thing I can find that is different about their beliefs is that they believe the Messiah has come, as prophesied by Mohammed.
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    (Original post by AlifunArnab)
    It's not that they don't believe in God.
    Then this was a pretty nonsensical analogy:

    (Original post by AlifunArnab)
    Ahmadiyya aren't Muslims in the same way someone who doesn't believe in God can't be a Muslim.
    It's that they are nullifying one of the fundamentals of the religion.
    I'm sorry, I must have forgotten to ask for the relevant legal documents proving that you, or people who feel similarly to you about this, have copyrighted the religion of Islam. Could you please scan them and post them on this thread? Thanks.
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    (Original post by AlifunArnab)
    It's not that they don't believe in God.
    But you just said...
    Ahmadiyya aren't Muslims in the same way someone who doesn't believe in God can't be a Muslim.
    So it's not in the same way really then, is it?

    It's that they are nullifying one of the fundamentals of the religion.
    So that's what you actually meant. What fundamental of Islam are they nullifying?
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    (Original post by Final Fantasy)
    Apparently, he got killed by a Muslim for being the wrong type of Muslim. Disgusting indeed. Do you share the same opinions as others on Ahmadiyya Muslims not being 'true Muslims'?
    No, not at all. I'm a Sunni muslim. Islam is a religion of peace to me, it taught me to love others as my brother/sister or mother/father. Allah is the only one to judge. It says that in the Qur'an. It is disgusting to alienate others. Even if they are a bad person, you treat them with respect and love. You can guide them, but not to judge or god forbid kill.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Corrected. There is nothing unreasonable or unjustified about disliking the ideology that is Islam. Aside from that, you are correct.
    Can you post the definition of xenophobia so I correct you once and for all? And seriously... Triple negatives?? 😓

    The wretches here only had the attention span to blather what the murderor did. Not for a moment would they have wondered what faith the deceased practiced nor what his religious values stood for.
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    Ahmadis worship in a mosque, they worship Allah, they read the Quran and they practice Ramadan. Like any other Muslim.
    It says in the Quran that anyone who eats sacred meat, prays in the direction of God and worships like a Muslim has the protection of God. Ahmadis do that. I don't know why some are ignorant to say that they aren't.



    It speaks volumes.

    The Qur'an says Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is the final prophet.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    The only thing I can find that is different about their beliefs is that they believe the Messiah has come, as prophesied by Mohammed.
    Firstly saying they are non muslim does not mean in anyway that this justifies the attack slightly more.
    It means that the title should be changed from an attack on a peaceful muslim instead to an attack on a peaceful non muslims. There are many essential conditions the ahmadiyyas break for one to be considered a muslim, one of the biggest being they dont believe prophet Muhammad (SAW) was the last prophet.
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    Oh how wonderful, so the poor murdered guy wasn't a muslim because he belonged to the "wrong" sect and the murderer wasn't a muslim because killing people is forbidden. Amazing, nothing to do with Islam at all!
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    (Original post by Mentally)
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    It means that the title should be changed from an attack on a peaceful muslim instead to an attack on a peaceful non muslims.
    Unfortunately for the superstitious, we are not forced to follow their views. The title looks good, though it doesn't mention anything about attacking Moslems.
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    (Original post by student.feed)
    No, not at all. I'm a Sunni muslim. Islam is a religion of peace to me, it taught me to love others as my brother/sister or mother/father. Allah is the only one to judge. It says that in the Qur'an. It is disgusting to alienate others. Even if they are a bad person, you treat them with respect and love. You can guide them, but not to judge or god forbid kill.


    Ah here we go.
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    (Original post by Two R's)
    Ah here we go.
    I hope that is a good thing
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    (Original post by student.feed)
    No, not at all. I'm a Sunni muslim. Islam is a religion of peace to me, it taught me to love others as my brother/sister or mother/father. Allah is the only one to judge. It says that in the Qur'an. It is disgusting to alienate others. Even if they are a bad person, you treat them with respect and love. You can guide them, but not to judge or god forbid kill.
    Nice to hear that you consider consider Ahmadiyya to be Muslims. What do you mean if they are a bad person? Just people in general or that Ahmadiyya Muslims are bad people?
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    (Original post by Final Fantasy)
    Nice to hear that you consider consider Ahmadiyya to be Muslims. What do you mean if they are a bad person? Just people in general or that Ahmadiyya Muslims are bad people?
    Just people in general. It is a bonus if someone is muslim because you can relate more.
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    (Original post by student.feed)
    I hope that is a good thing


    Far from it my friend.


    Saying Islam is a religion of peace is like saying Nazism is an advocacy of Jewish rights.
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    (Original post by TaintedLight)
    The wretches here only had the attention span to blather what the murderor did. Not for a moment would they have wondered what faith the deceased practiced nor what his religious values stood for.
    Your username is very apt

    If you penetrate the fog of prejudice that is clearly obscuring your vision and find a way to read the posts, you will find that much of the discussion has been about the faith the victim practised.

    Three negatives do not necessarily constitute a triple negative.
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    (Original post by AlifunArnab)
    The Qur'an says Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is the final prophet.
    Ahmadis believe the same thing. They believe their founder carried on the teachings and he never put himself on par with the prophet.

    Get the facts right.
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    (Original post by Two R's)
    Far from it my friend.


    Saying Islam is a religion of peace is like saying Nazism is an advocacy of Jewish rights.
    Here we go again. All I'm going to say is the actual word Islam actually means peace and submission to God/Allah.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Unfortunately for the superstitious, we are not forced to follow their views. The title looks good, though it doesn't mention anything about attacking Moslems.
    Forced? What are you on about? And I didn't mean 'title' as in a literal sence.
    Pointing out an error in labelling doesn't mean you're being forced to do anything ..
    I'm pretty much done here..
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    (Original post by student.feed)
    Here we go again. All I'm going to say is the actual word Islam actually means peace and submission to God/Allah.


    No it doesn't.


    Islam' is derived from the root verb istaslama (استسلاما); which means 'to submit' or 'give in' or 'surrender'.


    NOT PEACE
 
 
 
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