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    Social Democratic & Labour Party
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    Alliance Party
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    Labour (NI)
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    (Original post by L i b)
    "Unionist scum"? The people who want to be part of our country. Absolute insanity, particularly from someone who claims to support the Labour Party. Nothing more than separatist ethnic nationalism, tinged with violence and completely ignorant of NI's problems.

    You're nothing more than a bigot.
    There are people who want China to be part of the UK. Will you indulge them? No. Would London ever become part of Poland or Nigeria for example if they became a majority? No.
    Then why indulge the fantasies of immigrants who refuse to integrate and allow the triumphalist and bigoted culture of loyalism to thrive, when they could become part of a something better?
    "The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all of the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien Government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    I actually support the TUSC, but of course they have little chance of an electoral breakthrough. The only people unionists are, are those that want Imperialism and the oppression of the Irish people to continue, for example when a high-profile member of the TUV referred to the Irish language as a “leprechaun language"
    I'm sorry, that's just racist ethno-nationalism and completely unacceptable. Citing examples of some other **** making an unacceptable remark about the Irish language does not absolve you of this.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    There are people who want China to be part of the UK. Will you indulge them? No. Would London ever become part of Poland or Nigeria for example if they became a majority? No.
    Then why indulge the fantasies of immigrants who refuse to integrate and allow the triumphalist and bigoted culture of loyalism to thrive, when they could become part of a something better?
    "The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all of the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien Government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."
    Once again, a so-called Socialist advocating racist ethnic nationalism. Utterly appalling, although frankly given the state of your movement at the moment nothing surprises me any more. That you're even going so far as to call people who have lived in a place for centuries "immigrants" just highlights the absurdity of your own bigotry.

    If the UK had historically entered a union with, say, France or some other bordering country (as was actually proposed) that would be entirely fine by me - I wouldn't support division because of some feeble idea of difference. Indeed, the UK is quite categorically a state that did bring together a number of pre-existing nations, something I think is a great strength.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Once again, a so-called Socialist advocating racist ethnic nationalism. Utterly appalling, although frankly given the state of your movement at the moment nothing surprises me any more. That you're even going so far as to call people who have lived in a place for centuries "immigrants" just highlights the absurdity of your own bigotry.
    Irish republicanism is not racist. I call these people "immigrants who refuse to integrate" because that's what their ancestors were - although I would welcome them as Irish, they do not take kindly to this label.
    To unite the whole people of Ireland, to abolish the memory of all past dissentions, and to substitute the common name of Irishman in the place of the denominations of Protestant, Catholic and Dissenter—these were my means. - Wolfe Tone

    Bigotry? You're an idiot. No Irish republicans, let alone a socialist republican like myself would ever be a bigot, especially towards Protestants.
    "Republicanism is about equality, the cornerstone of Irish republicanism is equal rights for ALL citizens" - @GerryAdamsSF

    This is what the Proclamation refers to: "The Republic declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all of the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien Government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."

    You know nothing of Irish Republicanism, all you're writing is naive and false rhetoric.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Irish republicanism is not racist.
    Perhaps not, but if you're coming out with that sort of stuff you certainly are.

    I call these people "immigrants who refuse to integrate" because that's what their ancestors were - although I would welcome them as Irish, they do not take kindly to this label.

    Bigotry? You're an idiot. No Irish republicans, let alone a socialist republican like myself would ever be a bigot
    You're using the hate-filled language of race and ethnicity. Take a good, hard look at yourself.

    And note as well the ridiculous irony in what you quote:

    oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien Government
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Perhaps not, but if you're coming out with that sort of stuff you certainly are.


    You're using the hate-filled language of race and ethnicity. Take a good, hard look at yourself.

    And note as well the ridiculous irony in what you quote:

    oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien Government
    The civil rights republican can promise the Ulster Protestant full equality of citizenship but the Ulster Protestant sees in this the negation of his identity.
    Disputes between nationalists and unionists are attributed to "differences carefully fostered by an alien government". The British government. You don't even know what you're quoting.

    "Hate-filled"? You're a ridiculous troll.
    I love my country, I love our culture, and I love our sports. There is no hate here.
    We believe in self-determination, independence, and sovereignty.

    Irish republicans have a vision of a new society, a new Ireland, that is democratic, inclusive and based on equality.
    We want to see that type of society shaped on this island. We want a society and economy that are run democratically and in the interests of all citizens.

    The only hate here is directed towards us by you, and right back at you.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    The civil rights republican can promise the Ulster Protestant full equality of citizenship but the Ulster Protestant sees in this the negation of his identity.
    Disputes between nationalists and unionists are attributed to "differences carefully fostered by an alien government". The British government. You don't even know what you're quoting.

    "Hate-filled"? You're a ridiculous troll.
    I love my country, I love our culture, and I love our sports. There is no hate here.
    We believe in self-determination, independence, and sovereignty.

    Irish republicans have a vision of a new society, a new Ireland, that is democratic, inclusive and based on equality.
    We want to see that type of society shaped on this island. We want a society and economy that are run democratically and in the interests of all citizens.

    The only hate here is directed towards us by you, and right back at you.
    Well done, my friend. Great explanation!
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    Well done, my friend. Great explanation!
    If you haven't been to see Bobby Sands: 66 Days yet I compel you to go and see it. It's a bit biased at times against the Provos but overall it's a very good film.
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    I don't know why the conservatives bother standing in Northern Ireland, they have no councillors elected and very little proportion of the vote.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    The civil rights republican can promise the Ulster Protestant full equality of citizenship but the Ulster Protestant sees in this the negation of his identity.
    Disputes between nationalists and unionists are attributed to "differences carefully fostered by an alien government". The British government. You don't even know what you're quoting.
    I know exactly what I'm quoting. The British government being called "alien". Again, you're using the hate-filled language of ethno-nationalism. It's divisive, bigoted and wrong. Not to mention the other racist language that has been used here.

    You call people who disagree with you - and have lived in Northern Ireland for generations - "immigrants who refuse to integrate". You've approved of people singling our cultural diversity from one group in Ireland, suggesting it should lead to violence. You've defended another poster who suggested an ethnic minority on an island should have "****ed off" back to a land they left generations ago.

    If you agree with these things, you're a racist.

    Irish republicans have a vision of a new society, a new Ireland
    I think we can all legitimately be very afraid of what your "vision of a new society" involves.
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    (Original post by Lockton)
    I don't know why the conservatives bother standing in Northern Ireland, they have no councillors elected and very little proportion of the vote.
    I suspect because they'd prefer politics in Northern Ireland to be based on the difference of ideas rather than the difference of religion or ethnicity. They're certainly not the only ones to think NI has a rather unhealthy political culture.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    If you haven't been to see Bobby Sands: 66 Days yet I compel you to go and see it. It's a bit biased at times against the Provos but overall it's a very good film.
    Will do.


    (Original post by L i b)
    I know exactly what I'm quoting. The British government being called "alien". Again, you're using the hate-filled language of ethno-nationalism. It's divisive, bigoted and wrong. Not to mention the other racist language that has been used here.

    You call people who disagree with you - and have lived in Northern Ireland for generations - "immigrants who refuse to integrate". You've approved of people singling our cultural diversity from one group in Ireland, suggesting it should lead to violence. You've defended another poster who suggested an ethnic minority on an island should have "****ed off" back to a land they left generations ago.

    If you agree with these things, you're a racist.



    I think we can all legitimately be very afraid of what your "vision of a new society" involves.
    Aight then imagine if those dear muslims that you righties hate come in and flood 6 southern counties - large ones. They then, for centuries on end refuse to integrate into your society and express extreme loyalty to Saudi Arabia. Finally, the go on to oppress the rights of those that have lived there for a millennia or more. They are then called racist for calling Saudi Arabia an ‘alien government’. Wow real racist ennit
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    Aight then imagine if those dear muslims that you righties hate
    I'll stop you right there: unlike some on here - who mysteriously claim to come from the political left, I'm neither a racist nor a sectarian bigot.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    I'll stop you right there: unlike some on here - who mysteriously claim to come from the political left, I'm neither a racist nor a sectarian bigot.
    okay then - carry on reading for the whole scenario then.
    and being left economically has no social implications js
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    (Original post by L i b)
    I know exactly what I'm quoting. The British government being called "alien". Again, you're using the hate-filled language of ethno-nationalism.
    Dictionary: "alien - belonging to a foreign country" - that's not hate-filled, it's fact.

    It's divisive, bigoted and wrong.
    It's not divisive, it's an opinion. It's not bigoted - to be bigoted I'd have to be saying "the Protestants are foreigners and don't belong here", which I don't believe in any way.

    It's only wrong in your opinion - instead of being a uselessly naive SJW I recommend you go and learn Irish history before attempting to enter any kind of debate on the current or past situation here.

    Not to mention the other racist language that has been used here.
    No racist language here. Only fact. If you try to accept and embrace all unionists and loyalists as Irish, they see this as the erosion of their identity.

    You call people who disagree with you - and have lived in Northern Ireland for generations - "immigrants who refuse to integrate".
    Not people who disagree with me. People who refuse to integrate and embrace Irish culture, like our sports, language and heritage, like the Eastern European, African, Asian and countless other ethnic groups that have gone to Britain and integrated.

    You've approved of people singling our cultural diversity from one group in Ireland, suggesting it should lead to violence. You've defended another poster who suggested an ethnic minority on an island should have "****ed off" back to a land they left generations ago.

    If you agree with these things, you're a racist.
    No, no, and no.

    I think we can all legitimately be very afraid of what your "vision of a new society" involves.
    Oh yes, you can be very afraid of a society that's democratic, inclusive and based on equality. Absolutely. Because you're a pillock and you don't live here.

    [QUOTE=L i b;67044932]I suspect because they'd prefer politics in Northern Ireland to be based on the difference of ideas rather than the difference of religion or ethnicity.

    No, it's because they're politically imperialistic. They do not have no aims to change the political system here, especially when the Conservatives maintain a close relationship with the UUP and are the same party in all but name.

    They're certainly not the only ones to think NI has a rather unhealthy political culture.
    Oh so now we're inferior? Britain has a higher status, you're better than us?
    And you look down your nose at republicans while you judge our whole society under British rule. The only things wrong with our 'political culture' have been caused by English imperialism.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Dictionary: "alien - belonging to a foreign country" - that's not hate-filled, it's fact.
    Well, considering it comes from 1916 it's not - but of course, the language used is deliberately divisive. If I was to go around calling France an "alien country" it would mean far more than to say it was a different country.

    It's not divisive, it's an opinion.
    It's a divisive and bigoted opinion.

    It's not bigoted - to be bigoted I'd have to be saying "the Protestants are foreigners and don't belong here", which I don't believe in any way.

    It's only wrong in your opinion - instead of being a uselessly naive SJW I recommend you go and learn Irish history before attempting to enter any kind of debate on the current or past situation here.
    I probably know more Irish history than your average Irishman, but feel free to make further assumptions based on my nationality. It's only feeding into a theme.

    Not people who disagree with me. People who refuse to integrate and embrace Irish culture, like our sports, language and heritage, like the Eastern European, African, Asian and countless other ethnic groups that have gone to Britain and integrated.
    The UK has an express policy of multiculturalism. We don't ask immigrants to abandon their culture, sports or heritage. Indeed, we encourage them - and that's not a peculiarly British view, it's a civilised view.

    Because you're a pillock and you don't live here.
    And, as I've said, the old racist hole is only getting deeper.

    They do not have no aims to change the political system here, especially when the Conservatives maintain a close relationship with the UUP and are the same party in all but name.
    I'm sure this might have qualified as insightful political commentary, back in 2010 when it was actually true.

    Oh so now we're inferior?
    Nope, just you.
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    (Original post by Lockton)
    I don't know why the conservatives bother standing in Northern Ireland, they have no councillors elected and very little proportion of the vote.
    The Tories ran on a joint ticket with the UUP for quite a while. They only ran alone in 2015.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The Tories ran on a joint ticket with the UUP for quite a while. They only ran alone in 2015.
    The UK Conservatives only organised in Northern Ireland from the 1980s and they ran candidates against the UUP for all that period. Ulster Conservatives and Unionists as an electoral alliance existed only from 2009 to - effectively - 2010, so I'd challenge the extent of that co-operation.

    Yes, pre-Sunningdale in '73, Ulster Unionists took the Tory whip, but that wasn't really a joint ticket, the Conservatives just didn't organise in NI as Labour don't now.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Well, considering it comes from 1916 it's not - but of course, the language used is deliberately divisive. If I was to go around calling France an "alien country" it would mean far more than to say it was a different country.
    Except I'm quoting the Proclamation, I'm not using it as everyday vocabulary.

    It's a divisive and bigoted opinion.
    In your opinion. It's not divisive when I'm chatting with my unionist friends and joking about it.

    I probably know more Irish history than your average Irishman, but feel free to make further assumptions based on my nationality. It's only feeding into a theme.
    Somehow I doubt that, especially considering when we've been force-fed this history from primary school to 18 in the south and taught in the north through nationalist groups.

    The UK has an express policy of multiculturalism. We don't ask immigrants to abandon their culture, sports or heritage. Indeed, we encourage them - and that's not a peculiarly British view, it's a civilised view.
    Actually it has a policy of community cohesion - state multiculturalism was dropped in 2001. These policies are to help them integrate into British society. That is the main focus of these policies. They might bring their own culture in but embrace their host country's as well.

    So now I'm uncivilised? Who's looking more and more like a bigot now?

    And, as I've said, the old racist hole is only getting deeper.
    Insignificant rhetoric because you haven't the gall nor the knowledge to argue with my points.

    Nope, just you.
    Class A bigot.
 
 
 
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