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    (Original post by otester)
    The perfect system is one that is closest to the laws of nature, such as monarchy.
    If we were following the so-called laws of nature we'd still be living in mud huts.
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    It is a system in which small communities (25-100) flourish, however when applied to an entire country with economic rivals, e.g USSR, corruption seeps in and the bourgeoisie reemerge with an even greater distinction between them and the proletarians.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Why is Communism seen as more acceptable to support than, say, Nazism?
    Perhaps because the idea that we should all be equal is nicer than the idea that there are inferior beings that need to be gassed in a chamber?
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    (Original post by lolakirk)
    Perhaps because the idea that we should all be equal is nicer than the idea that there are inferior beings that need to be gassed in a chamber?
    Communism has killed more people than Nazism, despite everyone being equal

    Perhaps everyone is equally expendable?
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    In theory communism sounds great, but in practice it's a failed concept which simply cannot work. Share wealth among everyone and then have the government control it completely with a dictatorship - idk about you but that sounds pretty contradictory.

    Communism and fascism are nearly the same thing - you'll find that the political spectrum is actually a circle.
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    (Original post by Mr Hyde(r))
    In theory communism sounds great
    And in practicality as well
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    (Original post by TearsInRain)
    If we were following the so-called laws of nature we'd still be living in mud huts.
    How did you come to that conclusion?
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    But Nazism doubtless thought they were improving the world too
    That's true, but whereas the object of Nazism was to exterminate the lesser races that supposedly made the world bad, the object of communism is to distribute the world's resources fairly and make sure everyone has enough to get by. There is a pretty obvious difference in attitude and worldview.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Many youths and students in Czech Republic are supportive of communism, many youths wear Che Guevara T shirts and Mao Zedong T shirts and also read Marx and Lenin. They are a generation that has suffered under capitalism and the Great Depression of 2008. Its no wonder they long for a system their grandparents enjoyed where university and health care was free and benefits were generous if you were jobless. Now all they see is cuts and charges for everything.

    I'd say that Titoism is probably the best kind of communism, it worked well in Yugoslavia and wasn't as draconian as the Russian or Chinese model.
    It's hardly a coincidence that the the only people who yearn for communism are those who have no experience of the real world.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Communism has killed more people than Nazism, despite everyone being equal

    Perhaps everyone is equally expendable?
    I'd say that people who kill in the name of communism aren't actually communists. Communism hasn't killed more people than Nazism - people unintentionally or purposefully misinterpreting communism have killed more people than people following Nazism. It's important to remember that ideas don't kill people at all - people kill people.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    That's true, but whereas the object of Nazism was to exterminate the lesser races that supposedly made the world bad, the object of communism is to distribute the world's resources fairly and make sure everyone has enough to get by. There is a pretty obvious difference in attitude and worldview.
    'Fairness' is subjective. I imagine the Nazis thought their treatment of inferiors was fair
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    I'd say that people who kill in the name of communism aren't actually communists. Communism hasn't killed more people than Nazism - people unintentionally or purposefully misinterpreting communism have killed more people than people following Nazism. It's important to remember that ideas don't kill people at all - people kill people.
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    (Original post by otester)
    How did you come to that conclusion?
    Oh please don't tell me that our medicine and technology are the result of natural law. Natural =/=best. Humans are always improving on what nature has provided for us and Communism is the next logical step.

    Like how we did not give up airplanes because some of the first models crashed, we should not give up on the Communist ideal just because some of the early proponents were fascists.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    'Fairness' is subjective. I imagine the Nazis thought their treatment of inferiors was fair
    You can say "Morality is subjective" as an argument for or against any moral precept. At some point we have to make a decision about what is right and what is wrong.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Communism has killed more people than Nazism, despite everyone being equal

    Perhaps everyone is equally expendable?
    'Communism' hasn't killed anybody, communists have. The ideology itself isn't murderous, Nazism is.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    You can say "Morality is subjective" as an argument for or against any moral precept. At some point we have to make a decision about what is right and what is wrong.
    Fine; everyone is not equal, so distributing wealth equally is not fair.
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    (Original post by TearsInRain)
    Oh please don't tell me that our medicine and technology are the result of natural law. Natural =/=best. Humans are always improving on what nature has provided for us and Communism is the next logical step.

    Like how we did not give up airplanes because some of the first models crashed, we should not give up on the Communist ideal just because some of the early proponents were fascists.
    Exactly
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    Glancing over the "main" ideas of communism it is like Yeah woo go equality that will make everyone equal and we will all be happy.
    Putting it into play is another matter as it will probably never work and creates more bad than good.
    Communism is like a pyramid scheme, it seems good until you look at what actually is going on.
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    Its one of the greatest ideas of all time on paper and I'd support it if it worked.

    In reality it doesn't work as it goes against human nature, without motivation people don't do any more than the bare minimum and everything stagnates. Forgetting about the young wannabe commies, if you actually talk to people who lived in the Eastern Bloc most have no desire to turn the clock back.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Fine; everyone is not equal, so distributing wealth equally is not fair.
    That's sort of true, but not exactly. Everyone is not exactly the same, so distributing resources exactly equally isn't fair in that it simply doesn't make sense. There is the phrase, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." What matters isn't that every person receives exactly the same amount of everything, it's that each person is given the opportunity to receive what they need. This is still an equal distribution of wealth.
 
 
 
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