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    (Original post by LaMandarine)
    I swear, some people here get so frustrated over what are, in essence discussions on a student forum, it just feels like you're at the PMQs (minus the swearing).

    I would like to point out that I referred to "your average jobs" i.e. a cleaner, cashier, chef, plumber, even a low-rank nurse. These kinds of lower tier jobs, that require a minimum amount of experience or qualification. If there is a better way to classify these jobs, somebody let me know (not a native, so my vocabulary is limited). I did not refer to doctors, for many reasons, primarily being that to be able to profess as a doctor you need to pass heavy examinations(theoretical and practical), study kilometres of pages, get qualifications, etc. If you as an unskilled -say- Romanian builder want to get hired in the UK to build bridges, you can take a small role with little to any experience, and progress eventually to something higher. You can sell yourself for far lower than a British person, for the reasons I have already mentioned in my previous post, and thereby get the job instead of him.

    From your main post, you did not refer to doctors particularly either, so I don't understand why you're countering my argument with a single example that I didn't even use. If you wanted to debate over foreign doctors exclusively, you could have mentioned that from your OP. You generally referred to the issue of immigrants taking British people's jobs, and so did I.

    Anyway, from what I know, it's usually these low-tier British workers, who need a job in building, cleaning, retail, hospitality, that are angry. And they're angry for what I wrote in my initial post. To that I will also add, it's not the business owners who hire people in such businesses, it's the manager. Managers will always aim to get people who can work most for the least amount of money, and these people tend to be foreigners, again, for the reason that I mentioned. Also, if you think that foreign people are not brought into this country illegally to work, specifically because they can be made to work many hours for a pittance and be housed in s**it accommodation, then you're absolutely dreaming. I am aware of the sanctions they could face, but I am also aware that few generally get caught, hence why this is raised as an issue.

    Watch your potty mouth. I did not say my preference, I said British taxpayer's preferences. And I did not refer to doctors, I referred to nurses. There are some types of nurses that are not required to take a degree, such as LVNs and LPNs (licensed vocational/practical nurses). Usually, in low urgency medical cases, you will be greeted by one of those, prior to meeting a qualified nurse or a doctor.
    Also, if you have any source that highlights the shortage of native British doctors, do share. I am genuinely curious, and know little on this matter.

    Lastly: just a friendly suggestion. Aside from vexed opinions, your OP doesn't bring anything to substantiate your view. Add examples if you want people to take you more seriously on this matter.
    Boom. I like this girl. You could learn an awful lot OP

    I literally lolled when LaMandarine so deliciously and succinctly destroyed TSRFT8 -

    "B-b-buutt your an immigrant!!" lmfao - The anger and embarassment at his worldview being annihiliated right before his eyes...The last refuge for a fool is to run for the Xenophobe, little englander, nasty racist white man card ... AND HE COULDN'T

    Three cheers for LaMandarine


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    It's okay though, we'll be able to say 'I told you so' when Shariah law gets implemented and the British are a minority.
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    So if your parents built a house, are you not expected to have preference in it before complete strangers? How is that even debatable?
    Fact is there is a limited number of women/jobs/public space. Ask anyone looking for a job if he thinks competition is a good or funny thing. He would be suicidal to say yes. I wouldn't even bother writing an application for a job with thousands of applicants.
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    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    There are NUMEROUS threads now on TSR about how "immigrants" are stealing jobs which should be for the British.

    Firstly no one is stealing anything from anyone, The British do not have an entitlement to whatever job they desire and if this is what you want then apply it across the board not to just one job. Why dont you apply it to doctors and replace them with only British doctors see where that gets you.

    Why dont you stop all the businesses owned by "immigrants" and see how many more people are unemployed. Im sick of seeing British people think they have some sort of high ground over jobs because of their nationality.

    If an employer does not hire you DO NOT take your frustration out on blaming immigrants as it is not their fault people do not want to hire you (Also shut up about "they work for cheaper" this is incorrect that job would pay a British person the same)

    Further if you are declined from a job stop saying "someone who cant speak English got a job over me" its nothing to brag about infact you should probably go back and resit your GCSE`s if this is the case.

    Its boring when people who couldn't even be bothered to get a single qualification think they deserve a job over someone better qualified, give over you have no ENTITLEMENT to anything. Its NOT your company for you to be deciding who SHOULD be hired.

    Lastly i think many also forget these "immigrants" are working jobs that the British think they are too good for. Instead of moaning about it do something productive instead of spurting your borderline racism because you are a failure.
    Well if someone has just lost their job to a foreigner this isn't exactly soothing reading is it?
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    looool all makes sense now - KNIGHTSBRIDGE



    How many desperate and destitute eastern europeans does daddy cram into one of his abandoned sheds to extort grossly extortionate rent from and just how much of their cheap labour funds your private school fee's and trips to harrods? Me ol mucka
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    Thank you got posting [email protected]
    As fascism becomes more and more popular throughout europe logical voices need to be heard. Most of people here talk while they are in their warm houses while I living in a place where all immigrants&refuggees come. So I ve seen many dead people in the Aegean, I ve seen my favourite beach turning into cemetery, I ve seen many people desperate and they just wanted a better life. If you dont want immigrants coming into your country then you should demand Europe to stop interfering in their countries and bombing their houses. Or you should be against capitalism cause this is the reason of freedom of movement. Nowadays, Europe is in the middle of a crisis so I can accept ppl saying racist things but always think that politicians are to blame for. And dont start extreme actions like attacking immigrants or wishing they all die as I ve seen it happening in my country. All people no matter the nation or religion have the right for a decent life. However, not everyone has a chance in living such a life,why is it so bad to seek a better luck?
    Peace and Love.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Boom. I like this girl. You could learn an awful lot OP

    I literally lolled when LaMandarine so deliciously and succinctly destroyed TSRFT8 -

    "B-b-buutt your an immigrant!!" lmfao - The anger and embarassment at his worldview being annihiliated right before his eyes...The last refuge for a fool is to run for the Xenophobe, little englander, nasty racist white man card ... AND HE COULDN'T

    Three cheers for LaMandarine


    TSRFT8


    Haha, that made me chuckle as I was waiting for my lecture to start. At least somebody understands my point in this discussion :h: . I'm was beginning to get sick to just be labelled as an extreme for just mentioning a view that's contrary to the conventional one.

    Also, I absolutely love when I verbally engage in such a discussion with native Brits that share the same opinion with OP. I don't have a foreign accent, and people easily mistake me for a native. I don't mention that I am Romanian from the start, I just wait for them to call me either a fascist or a good candidate for Britain's First. Then I just tell them I'm a Romanian, show them my ID (if needed), and then see their world get shattered before their eyes :lol:
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    (Original post by constantina98)
    Thank you got posting [email protected]
    As fascism becomes more and more popular throughout europe logical voices need to be heard. Most of people here talk while they are in their warm houses while I living in a place where all immigrants&refuggees come. So I ve seen many dead people in the Aegean, I ve seen my favourite beach turning into cemetery, I ve seen many people desperate and they just wanted a better life. If you dont want immigrants coming into your country then you should demand Europe to stop interfering in their countries and bombing their houses. Or you should be against capitalism cause this is the reason of freedom of movement. Nowadays, Europe is in the middle of a crisis so I can accept ppl saying racist things but always think that politicians are to blame for. And dont start extreme actions like attacking immigrants or wishing they all die as I ve seen it happening in my country. All people no matter the nation or religion have the right for a decent life. However, not everyone has a chance in living such a life,why is it so bad to seek a better luck?
    Peace and Love.
    How did Sweden cause the problems in in Iraq, for example? To blame Europeans for conflicts in the Middle East is dishonest and an excuse to justify the present mass migration. Even top EU people have admitted that most migrants are no true refugees but economic migrants. You are falling for antiwhite leftist rhetoric.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ilFbbk9jw4
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    How did Sweden cause the problems in in Iraq, for example? To blame Europeans for conflicts in the Middle East is dishonest and an excuse to justify the present mass migration. Even top EU people have admitted that most migrants are no true refugees but economic migrants. You are falling for antiwhite leftist rhetoric.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilFbbk9jw4
    Hey I didnt mean to insult you or anything. 1)i am not being antiwhite cause europeans are also black people or arab etc. I am talking for the people who support politicians who are taking advantage of other cpuntries. So not all europeans. 2)of course not all the people who are coming have fled wars but that doesnt mean that west has nothing to do with that. 3) some countries in eu are dominant so obviously some countries are more responsible than others. But i believe that as we have democracy we are responsible by who we vote or by not reacting at all.
    It is just my opinion. Maybe i am wrong and you are right or the opposite. I just try to see both sides of the story: )
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    (Original post by constantina98)
    Hey I didnt mean to insult you or anything. 1)i am not being antiwhite cause europeans are also black people or arab etc. I am talking for the people who support politicians who are taking advantage of other cpuntries. So not all europeans. 2)of course not all the people who are coming have fled wars but that doesnt mean that west has nothing to do with that. 3) some countries in eu are dominant so obviously some countries are more responsible than others. But i believe that as we have democracy we are responsible by who we vote or by not reacting at all.
    It is just my opinion. Maybe i am wrong and you are right or the opposite. I just try to see both sides of the story: )
    You dodged my question completely: how is Sweden, for example, responsible if the US attacks some Middle Eastern country? The Swedes could have voted for Rowan Atkinson and it wouldn't have made a difference.
    Are you aware that most anti immigration parties are also opposed to foreign wars? It is the pro immigration parties that want foreign intervention in the Middle East.
    The EU is garbage and shouldn't even exist but it has little to do with the problems in the Middle East, they are more responsible for the immigration disaster in Europe.
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    (Original post by LaMandarine)


    Haha, that made me chuckle as I was waiting for my lecture to start. At least somebody understands my point in this discussion :h: . I'm was beginning to get sick to just be labelled as an extreme for just mentioning a view that's contrary to the conventional one.

    Also, I absolutely love when I verbally engage in such a discussion with native Brits that share the same opinion with OP. I don't have a foreign accent, and people easily mistake me for a native. I don't mention that I am Romanian from the start, I just wait for them to call me either a fascist or a good candidate for Britain's First. Then I just tell them I'm a Romanian, show them my ID (if needed), and then see their world get shattered before their eyes :lol:
    I can imagine haha. U must have shattered some bubbles in your time
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    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    There are NUMEROUS threads now on TSR about how "immigrants" are stealing jobs which should be for the British.

    Firstly no one is stealing anything from anyone, The British do not have an entitlement to whatever job they desire and if this is what you want then apply it across the board not to just one job. Why dont you apply it to doctors and replace them with only British doctors see where that gets you.

    Why dont you stop all the businesses owned by "immigrants" and see how many more people are unemployed. Im sick of seeing British people think they have some sort of high ground over jobs because of their nationality.

    If an employer does not hire you DO NOT take your frustration out on blaming immigrants as it is not their fault people do not want to hire you (Also shut up about "they work for cheaper" this is incorrect that job would pay a British person the same)

    Further if you are declined from a job stop saying "someone who cant speak English got a job over me" its nothing to brag about infact you should probably go back and resit your GCSE`s if this is the case.

    Its boring when people who couldn't even be bothered to get a single qualification think they deserve a job over someone better qualified, give over you have no ENTITLEMENT to anything. Its NOT your company for you to be deciding who SHOULD be hired.

    Lastly i think many also forget these "immigrants" are working jobs that the British think they are too good for. Instead of moaning about it do something productive instead of spurting your borderline racism because you are a failure.
    1. Few people have complained about immigrants stealing jobs. Most threads about immigration deal with the appalling behaviour of many migrants in western countries (assaults, rapes, thefts, etc.). They don't even work.

    2. Non-EU immigration is a burden on the country:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24813467

    3. As many people have already explained to you, low skilled immigrants put a pressure on salaries, rents, social services, NHS, etc. And don't pay much direct taxes.

    4. They are not hired for their skills, but because they cost less than natives. I suppose that as a middle class kid, you don't understand what that means to run a house on a £7.5 per hour salary, or a zero hour contract.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    I can imagine haha. U must have shattered some bubbles in your time
    true, true :innocent:
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    (Original post by sfaraj)
    WITHOUT IMMIGRATION I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BORN INTO A SAFE SOCIETY!

    and the amount of immigrants i know who are doctors and dentists mechanics and chefs, without them you wouldn't eat kebab from the local kebab place, or had your car fixed or been diagnosed

    accept it, a lot of immigrants come with a purpose and do it, but some (NOT ALL) non-immigrants dont try as hard, im not bashing people
    For every doctor you know, there are dozens of benefit scroungers in Tower Hamlets or Bradford.

    Overall, immigration from non-EU countries is a burden:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24813467
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    (Original post by constantina98)
    Thank you got posting [email protected] fascism becomes more and more popular throughout europe logical voices need to be heard. Most of people here talk while they are in their warm houses while I living in a place where all immigrants&refuggees come. So I ve seen many dead people in the Aegean, I ve seen my favourite beach turning into cemetery, I ve seen many people desperate and they just wanted a better life. If you dont want immigrants coming into your country then you should demand Europe to stop interfering in their countries and bombing their houses. Or you should be against capitalism cause this is the reason of freedom of movement. Nowadays, Europe is in the middle of a crisis so I can accept ppl saying racist things but always think that politicians are to blame for. And dont start extreme actions like attacking immigrants or wishing they all die as I ve seen it happening in my country. All people no matter the nation or religion have the right for a decent life. However, not everyone has a chance in living such a life,why is it so bad to seek a better luck?Peace and Love.
    Make paragraphs and I may answer that block of nonsense.
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    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    I literally cannot cope with you. You are an IMMIGRANT basically arguing saying immigration is bad.Im going to answer your last line (i have a-levels to revise for and quite frankly your points are just stupid) if they were desperate for such jobs then so many immigrants would never have gotten them.
    You fail to see that not all immigrants are worth the same. An immigrant is not automatically good or bad, some are great, some are terrible.
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    (Original post by DanB1991)
    Basically they accept a standard of living deemed illegal by both citizens of the country and also he government.

    They basically undercut the whole point of minimum/living wage.
    This isn't an EU issue, or even really a migrant issue, this is about enforcement of existing laws. If the employer is paying less than the legal minimum wage they can be prosecuted. If you know someone doing this then you should inform the authorities.
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    (Original post by typonaut)
    This isn't an EU issue, or even really a migrant issue, this is about enforcement of existing laws. If the employer is paying less than the legal minimum wage they can be prosecuted. If you know someone doing this then you should inform the authorities.
    As in they are willing to undercut living standards themselves, thus low wages affect them less. The wages themselves are generally within legal boundaries. However it sets a precedent to employers that £7 per hour or £7.20 is enough. We ourselves did actually report to the council that 12+ EU and Russian immigrants were sharing a house next door to ours. They were perfectly willing to live in such a manner but the council put a stop to it.

    However employers should really be paying an amount closer to £8.25 for bottom tier work. The problem is most people are not willing to live in overcrowded housing and even then it's too expensive when you're paid the lower rates. Most employers then complain the rate is too high, but the truth of the matter is for a full time workers it's the amount required for a decent standard of life.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    For every doctor you know, there are dozens of benefit scroungers in Tower Hamlets or Bradford
    And there are no "British" scroungers? If you are going to use something then apply it across the board. Why should the rich immigrants fund for the British scroungers if the British dont want anything to do with them in the first place????

    I think you forget that much of this countries wealth and success is a direct result of immigration and immigrants.
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    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    And there are no "British" scroungers? If you are going to use something then apply it across the board. Why should the rich immigrants fund for the British scroungers if the British dont want anything to do with them in the first place????

    I think you forget that much of this countries wealth and success is a direct result of immigration and immigrants.
    The fact that we have to deal with native scroungers is not an excuse to admit worthless immigrants. Only those who can make a positive contribution to the country should be accepted.

    You have ignored the graph I showed you, so I post it again:



    Non-EU immigration has a negative impact on Britain.
 
 
 
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