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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    Of course you can't say that. You're white.
    am I? I thought I was a little black girl
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    (Original post by jon2016)
    I think you missed the bit you turned Libya and Iraq into failed states
    Perhaps you'd call genocide a success but I'm sure Kurds and marsh Arabs wouldn't
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    when white people come over to other lands for their resources, it's labelled "colonialism". when non-white people do this, it's called "cultural enrichment"
    can I say that?
    That awkward moment when you rep someone you disagree with...

    Do you genuinely believe that refugees and migrants are colonising Britain? Or that they are stealing your resources? If so, elaborate.
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    when white people come over to other lands for their resources, it's labelled "colonialism". when non-white people do this, it's called "cultural enrichment"
    can I say that?
    You can say that but then I can say you really really need to go educate yourself on what colonialism means.

    I would say your objection is to the perceived shift in cultural values in western countries due to an influx of refugees/migrants from the middle east and Africa who hold different cultural values to us. The extreme of this would be if say we become majority Muslim and that causes a shift away from what we would describe as liberal western values which changes how our governments act. That still wouldn't be colonialism. For it to be colonialism a big stronger state would have to march in with it's army and take control and our nation state would have to obey the stronger nation state and submit to its interests even if it was determinant to our interests. If you think refugees and economic migrants from poor under developed countries that are in civil war are doing this then I don't know what to say.

    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    Perhaps you'd call genocide a success but I'm sure Kurds and marsh Arabs wouldn't
    Aren't the PKK officially terrorists according to us?
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    when white people come over to other lands for their resources, it's labelled "colonialism". when non-white people do this, it's called "cultural enrichment"
    can I say that?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qzUzEK7QaE

    Please tell me you are a Stef fan!
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    And when did Norway had colonies in Africa?
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    (Original post by Insight314)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qzUzEK7QaE

    Please tell me you are a Stef fan!
    yeah, that's literally where I got it :lol:
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    You can say that but then I can say you really really need to go educate yourself on what colonialism means.

    I would say your objection is to the perceived shift in cultural values in western countries due to an influx of refugees/migrants from the middle east and Africa who hold different cultural values to us. The extreme of this would be if say we become majority Muslim and that causes a shift away from what we would describe as liberal western values which changes how our governments act. That still wouldn't be colonialism. For it to be colonialism a big stronger state would have to march in with it's army and take control and our nation state would have to obey the stronger nation state and submit to its interests even if it was determinant to our interests. If you think refugees and economic migrants from poor under developed countries that are in civil war are doing this then I don't know what to say.
    I cba to read this but I'm assuming this boils down to you taking my comment literally (when I've said three times in this thread that it was a metaphorical comparison) so cba
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    not really - I'm just interpreting it in the same way you are. while it *was* metaphorical because immigrants aren't the force behind a government like colonialists are in a new land, the effects of colonialism are similar (or the same) to the case of immigration into western societies.
    wow
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    wow
    wow indeed
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    wow indeed
    You think immigrants coming to western countries has the same affect as the establishment of a colony?
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    yeah, that's literally where I got it :lol:
    Make sure you explain that resources = welfare and government dependence, but I don't understand how anyone would think it's a "metaphor" or an inaccurate representation of colonialism. :laugh:
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    You think immigrants coming to western countries has the same affect as the establishment of a colony?
    if I said that there is a general cultural integration effect would you be outraged?
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    (Original post by Insight314)
    Make sure you explain that resources = welfare and government dependence, but I don't understand how anyone would think it's a "metaphor" or an inaccurate representation of colonialism. :laugh:
    no I mean to compare it to specifically "colonialism" is obviously analogical
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    if I said that there is a general cultural integration effect would you be outraged?
    The fact that immigration 'affects' a country is inarguable. Often these are positive. Comparing immigration to colonialism makes the migrants themselves seem malicious, destructive and dangerous. And whilst potential ill effects of large-scale immigration on a countries resources and culture are reasonable things to be concerned about any valid argument get's completely swepped away by prejudiced bs.
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    (Original post by Insight314)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qzUzEK7QaE

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    - 'Migrants' are not 'stripping countries of their resources' in the way that colonialists did. Rather, in GB at least, they make a net contribution to the economy.
    - Colonialists did not go to places like Africa as refugees or even as economic migrants - they came from a more developed place to a less developed one - that's plain greed. They also, in many cases, systematically pressed and even destroyed the native population. Refugees and immigrants on the other hand are looking for a better life.
    - If someone comes to Europe illegally then they're an illegal immigrant not 'just a migrant'. They also aren't part of a technologically advanced, racialist, imperialist mob as the colonialists were.

    That guy is either a fool or taking his audience for fools.

    It is incredibly difficult to respect the arguments of people who do not appreciate that migrants, on an individual level are just people making the incredibly brave decision to improve their and their families future prospects. I'll listen to arguments about school places, the burden to infrastructure and cultural integration all day - but unfortunately too many in this debate are just prejudiced losers.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    The fact that immigration 'affects' a country is inarguable. Often these are positive. Comparing immigration to colonialism makes the migrants themselves seem malicious, destructive and dangerous. And whilst potential ill effects of large-scale immigration on a countries resources and culture are reasonable things to be concerned about any valid argument get's completely swepped away by prejudiced bs.
    why do you think immigrants come to the UK?
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    why do you think immigrants come to the UK?
    Depends on the person.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Depends on the person.
    most* immigrants?
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    (Original post by Venusian Visitor)
    Exactly, Europe isn't enriched enough. Don't you want to enjoy bigger penises?
    For you, that will be a massive problem though if the average penis size increases. I bet you want all the North Koreans to come instead.
 
 
 
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