Is transsexuality a mental disorder?

You lost because you didn't answer the question. You have no evidence of God's existence.

"Love thy neighbour" - just saying.

Oh and also, there's gay stories in the Bible - lmao.

the condition of feeling one's emotional and psychological identity as male or female to be opposite to one's biological sex - gender dysphoria


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I do love my neighbour.

Congrats on defining dysphoria. So what?

Without question. Male to female transsexuals are mentally ill gay men who need treatment, not an opportunity to mutilate themselves.

Contrastingly, one can argue that transitioning to the gender one knows themselves as being is a solution to the mental illness.

The point is sex and gender are the same so they are delusional that they are a different sex.


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I dont think I'm male. I am male, regardless of whether I was born with the right anatomy. One thing I am not is delusional.

Sorry but something being labelled a mental health problem isn't a pejorative term and therefore not harmful.

I have a mental health condition and so will 25% of the population in any given year.


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Calling it a mental health problem makes it sound like a problem or something that needs to be fixed. In general, mental health problems have a bad connotation in society, so automatically labelling a transgender person as mentally ill could make it harder for them to be accepted.

I also have a mental health condition.

Just as we can come up with criteria for a definition of “planet”, we can come up with a definition of “man”. Absolutely typical men have Y chromosomes, have male genitalia, appreciate manly things like sports and lumberjackery, are romantically attracted to women, personally identify as male, wear male clothing like blue jeans, sing baritone in the opera, et cetera.

Some people satisfy some criteria of manhood and not others, in much the same way that Pluto satisfies only some criteria of planethood and whales satisfy only some criteria of mammalhood. For example, gay men might date other men and behave in effeminate ways. People with congenital androgen insensitivity syndrome might have female bodies, female external genitalia, and have been raised female their entire life, but when you look into their cells they have Y chromosomes.

Biologists defined by fiat that in cases of ambiguous animal grouping like whales, phylogenetics will be the tiebreaker. This was useful to resolve ambiguity, and it’s worth sticking to as a Schelling point so everyone’s using their words the same way, but it’s kind of arbitrary and mostly based on biologists caring a lot about phylogenetics. If we let King Solomon make the decision, he might decide by fiat that whether animals lived in land or water would be the tiebreaker, since he’s most interested in whether the animal is hunted on horseback or by boat.

Likewise, astronomers decided by fiat that something would be a planet if and only if meets the three criteria of orbiting, round, and orbit-clearing. But here we have a pretty neat window into how these kinds of decisions take place – you can read the history of the International Astronomical Union meeting where they settled on the definition and learn about all the alternative proposals that were floated and rejected and which particular politics resulted in the present criteria being selected among all the different possibilities. Here it is obvious that the decision was by fiat.

Without the input of any prestigious astronomers at all, most people seem to assume that the ultimate tiebreaker in man vs. woman questions is presence of a Y chromosome. I’m not sure this is a very principled decision, because I expect most people would classify congenital androgen insensitivity patients (XY people whose bodies are insensitive to the hormone that makes them look male, and so end up looking 100% female their entire lives and often not even knowing they have the condition) as women.

The project of the transgender movement is to propose a switch from using chromosomes as a tiebreaker to using self-identification as a tiebreaker.

(This isn’t actually the whole story – some of the more sophisticated people want to split “sex” and “gender”, so that people who want to talk about what chromosomes they’ve got have a categorization system to do that with, and a few people even want to split “chromosomal sex” and “anatomical sex” and “gender” and goodness knows what else – and I support all of these as very important examples of the virtue of precision – but to a first approximation, they want to define gender as self-identification)

This is not something that can be “true” or “false”. It’s a boundary-redrawing project. It can make for some boundaries that look a little bit weird – like a small percent of men being able to get pregnant – but as far as weird boundaries go that’s probably not as bad as having a tiny exclave of Turkish territory in the middle of a Syrian village.

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I’ve made this argument before and gotten a reply something like this:

“Transgender is a psychiatric disorder. When people have psychiatric disorders, certainly it’s right to sympathize and feel sorry for them and want to help them. But the way we try to help them is by treating their disorder, not by indulging them in their delusion.”

I think these people expect me to argue that transgender “isn’t really a psychiatric disorder” or something. But “psychiatric disorder” is just another category boundary dispute, and one that I’ve already written enough about elsewhere. At this point, I don’t care enough to say much more than “If it’s a psychiatric disorder, then attempts to help transgender people get covered by health insurance, and most of the ones I know seem to want that, so sure, gender dysphoria is a psychiatric disorder.”

Yes it is a disorder and is sinful.

No you are not you are pretending to be male


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Without question. Male to female transsexuals are mentally ill gay men who need treatment, not an opportunity to mutilate themselves.

@paul514 @Retired_Messiah Cheers for understanding simple things and seeing that op is foolishly using transgender and transsexual interchangeably.

tbh with you I never knew the difference between those two words properly, I'd always just use the word transgender as a default seeing as nobody moaned at me for it.

@paul514 @Retired_Messiah Cheers for understanding simple things and seeing that op is foolishly using transgender and transsexual interchangeably.