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    (Original post by Farah_786)
    I believe God is testing us with different situations/trials such as disabilities.
    Isn't that evil?

    If you had the power to cause someone to be disabled, to be raped, murdered, tortured, suffer terminal cancer, starve, abused in several forms...would you use it? (those are just a few examples of the suffering that goes on in the world)
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    No, I don't personally believe that suffering is a good argument against God's existence per se, but the case of those who can't understand it is a good one against the specific doctrine of life as a test.

    Well exactly, the fact that people like this aren't tested undermines the life-is-a-test concept because it means they get heaven guaranteed which is why I said that in such a case I'd prefer to die young and not go through it.
    So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying it's easier and almost unfair for those who die young? (If life is a test.)
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    (Original post by Imperion)
    His example? You said his parents punishments are nothing compared to what people go through round the world. True but you could like um... 'make them larger' to fit the situation because what he's conveying is parent-child relationship which often involve corrections and punishments. Not sure if I'm coming out clear :laugh:
    Bt god is depicted as a father figure right? so that is also a parent-child relationship on a larger scare? would your father do such evil to you?

    I think that is what you mean anyway...
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    Why? Why can't he just forgive, rather than torture someone?



    Okay, but your parents' punishments are nothing like what some people suffer on this earth.
    Who said God doesn't forgive them?
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    (Original post by toonervoustotalk)
    couldn't have said it any better
    Someone had to say it! I find the people bringing up the issues of disabilities and God making people suffer etc are the people with the problems. Fair enough, we all judge (it's a natural human instinct) but a lot of people overlook a person for their disability. Treat people the way you want to be treated. The OP seems to be making these strange controversial threads lately...
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    (Original post by AhmedMA99)
    Who said God doesn't forgive them?
    So causing someone to suffer for their "sins" is what you call forgiveness?
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying it's easier and almost unfair for those who die young? (If life is a test.)
    In the context of life as a test where the punishment for failing is inconceivably painful torment for all eternity, yes. I would rather have been created as an angel with no free will.
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    I spy a non sequitur.

    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    How can life be a test if God is all-knowing? A test is dependent on there being doubt present, it's done to find something out about that person, usually in terms of skills and capabilities. But how can God find something about you that he didn't already know from before you were even born?
    Perhaps he knows everything that has occurred and will occur but he needs to create situations in order for people's characters to be tested in various ways.
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    (Original post by davidguettafan)
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    Problem of evil which religious believers have to deal with...

    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    God recognises that life would be way too easy for us were we not afflicted early on in life + he likes to challenge people, he's perverse like that :yy:
    of course not a douche at all
    (Original post by AhmedMA99)
    Life would be too easy if we had everything preserved for us.
    God wants us to feel thankful for what we have so he tests
    us with disabilities, illness, poorness etc..
    Some people have more than what we have, some have less.
    That's just how life works. You have to work for your
    success. Nothing is served on a golden plate.
    Sometimes these disabilities are a punishment for
    doing something bad or maybe just to remind us
    of thanking God for what we have.
    In conclusion, God wants us to work hard in our
    lives and thank him for everything either it being waking up
    in the morning or going to sleep in the night.
    Maybe you can think about all the poor and homeless people
    all over the world with no beds to sleep on.
    If God gave everyone everything, no one would
    thank God for what he have.
    Sorry for the long post, but I had to type this.
    But no need to give other a disadvantage
    we have a term for this"being a ****"
    so what about the other times
    what? why would you thank someone else for waking up in the morning or sleeping??
    what does god have? if he gives everything to everyone, very bad things would happen... chaos etc
    but there's no need to not help other who believe in you if you are a "god"
    that's just like saying oh a settlement needs my help...... nope cba going to help that settlement.
    God himself tells us to be moral but he himself is not moral. He doesn't help the injured and he certainly doesn't save people from death with his omnipotency
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    (Original post by fastandfurious)
    In Hinduism, disabilities are believed to be linked to “karma”, sins that have been committed in past lives.
    I'd like to believe I was a hitman in my past lifetotsseemedrelevant
    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    Bt god is depicted as a father figure right? so that is also a parent-child relationship on a larger scare? would your father do such evil to you?I think that is what you mean anyway...
    Yeah, it is what I mean. However, like any other (normal) parent, it's for the good of the child.
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    Isn't that evil?

    If you had the power to cause someone to be disabled, to be raped, murdered, tortured, suffer terminal cancer, starve, abused in several forms...would you use it? (those are just a few examples of the suffering that goes on in the world)
    No, I don't believe in the term "evil". I don't think any person is EVIL let alone God.
    Regarding the question about power obviously No. However, I am an human and hence no less than humans unlike God.
    So if an human is born with an disability, they must be some wisdom behind it as God is more knowledgeable
    than all humans.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    In the context of life as a test where the punishment for failing is inconceivably painful torment for all eternity, yes. I would rather have been created as an angel with no free will.
    Fair enough. So where you stand as irreligious, would you prefer to have died young to get it over and done with?
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    (Original post by Kvothe the arcane)
    Perhaps he knows everything that has occurred and will occur but he needs to create situations in order for people's characters to be tested in various ways.
    Again, if he knows everything then how can he be testing people's characters?
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    (Original post by Farah_786)
    No, I don't believe in the term "evil". I don't think any person is EVIL let alone God.
    Regarding the question about power obviously No. However, I am an human and hence no less than humans unlike God.
    So if an human is born with an disability, they must be some wisdom behind it as God is more knowledgeable
    than all humans.
    Well it's in the dictionary soooooo...........

    You don't think a serial killer is evil? You don't think a rapist is evil? you don't think Hitler was evil?

    How is he more knowledgeable? How do you know that?
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Again, if he knows everything then how can he be testing people's characters?
    The everything could be everything that has ever occurred and will occurred as I said above. It does not necessarily extend to how a person would react in situation x.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    Fair enough. So where you stand as irreligious, would you prefer to have died young to get it over and done with?
    Well as someone irreligious I don't believe in hell so it's not an issue that worries me. I would prefer to have died young in the hypothetical scenario that I actually believed this stuff.
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    (Original post by Kvothe the arcane)
    The everything could be everything that has ever occurred and will occurred as I said above. It does not necessarily extend to how a person would react in situation x.
    That doesn't make sense, if God is all-knowing then by definition he knows everything, including how someone would react in a certain situation. If he doesn't know this then he isn't all-knowing.
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    (Original post by Imperion)
    Yeah, it is what I mean. However, like any other (normal) parent, it's for the good of the child.
    No it isn't!

    I don't think getting diagnosed with terminal cancer is good for me? I don't think being abused would be good for me?!
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Well as someone irreligious I don't believe in hell so it's not an issue that worries me. I would prefer to have died young in the hypothetical scenario that I actually believed this stuff.
    Not what I was after. I'm talking about here and now, where you don't believe in heavan/hell/God. Would you want to die as a baby so you don't have to experience life (or the remainder of it)?
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    (Original post by xobeauty)
    God has nothing to do with that
    Then who does
 
 
 
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