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    Sadiq Khan, Labour
    52
    46.02%
    Zac Goldsmith, Conservative
    25
    22.12%
    Caroline Pidgeoto, Liberal Democrat
    8
    7.08%
    Sian Berry, Green
    9
    7.96%
    Myself as supreme ruler
    19
    16.81%

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    The only decent candidate with realistic policies is Sadiq Khan and he's practically won now.

    Finally, the dirty poisonous politics game that Zac Goldsmith played will soon be gone.
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    (Original post by Parx)
    so much bias.incredible.

    and what does that mean for all the muslims out there who hate jews and non-muslims? Think it says alot more about them. You really are digging a hole for yourself but then you're clearly not a very bright person and probably a Muslim.
    oh the irony!
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    (Original post by giveupbeth)
    I disagree, it is capitalism which is truly restrictive of individual freedom and creativity. However, I can understand that you don't share my opinion and I can respect that.I know you didn't explicitly say anything about socialism, but it seemed to me initially ill-informed anti-socialist nonsense. I apologise if I was at all harsh.
    I would rather an informed discussion than ill-informed anti-Muslim, anti-socialist sentiment as I reading from others.
    1) then you don't understand individual freedom then. individuals aren't look at with a social context, they are looked upon as universal and self-owning beings. they don't rely on others for their rights. maybe they rely on states to reinforce those rights, but the rights as concepts of deservedness and non-violence precede governments. concerning creativity, I wouldn't know how socialism encourages creativity when there is less of an incentive to take risks. if I wanted to be a painter, for example, I would need to enjoy painting and have the talent ncessary to get any money. people should only pay me if they want my work. in socialism, it is justified that people ought to pay others whether they want to or not (e.g. minimum wage, higher taxes, etc) - if you want creativity, let people guide themselves via their motivation and talents.
    2) so if you say something about capitalism like this, I should assume you have no idea about capitalism? but no problem, I'm not trying to portray you as such
    3) you know, I would say I'm a good representation of somebody who *is* informed about things like socialism and islam, and all logic and evidence concerning those things points in the opposite direction of truth. islam as a religion and islam vis-a-vis culture are not good things when we have an understanding of "good" (in cultural and ideological terms) as things like freedom, equality, tolerance, justice etc - islam doesn't support those things at all. also, socialism's only (in my opinion) trump card is equality, but the thing about equality is that it comes at the cost of prosperity and innovation. for example, if you had a company that had to compete with other companies in a dog-eat-dog world (capitalism), and you had a company which would be subsisided or would be bailed out no matter what it did, which company out of these two would you see as more likely to harbour needed success, innovation, employing people with real work, etc? I have no idea how it could possibly be the very short-sighted plan of public states propping up companies that would and should fail in the market - companies that have to pay their employees too much too will fail, and hence, minimum wage is a bad idea. I could go on and on.
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    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    oh the irony!
    what is 'iron'y about that? another person about to shout out racist because they can't handle an argument? loser. do you know what the qu'ran says about disbelievers? proof is in their book. let me guess you are a muslim.
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    (Original post by Parx)
    what is 'iron'y about that? another person about to shout out racist because they can't handle an argument? loser. do you know what the qu'ran says about disbelieves? proof is in their book.
    I would give you an argument but you seem more interested in jumping to conclusions and seem very emotional, guess its because Sadiq Khan won now eh? Perhaps get rid of that dismissive and frankly irritating tone and i will have explain to you how you're so wrong.
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    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    what evidence was there that Sadiq Khan shared the same motives as radicals? He needed to speak to them as part of his job and Zac Goldsmith used that to his leverage. If you search up 'racist Zac Goldsmith' you'll get many reports that pop up.
    Thank-you for adding another voice to the conversation, glad to see someone else had done their research
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    (Original post by Parx)
    no thanks. keep reading your poisonous qu'ran and hating on the west and continuing your own bias and 'youre racist' agenda.
    As i said, you're very emotional. Im not even muslim, the most i know about it is from school. You're very quick to make rash generalisations and deliberately portray muslims in a bad light to support your own agenda. Lucky the rest of London hasnt fell for others who agree with your toxic views.
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    (Original post by giveupbeth)
    Thank-you for adding another voice to the conversation, glad to see someone else had done their research
    I hardly see this as a conversation, just people making fallacious claims, false generalisations like 'muslims hate the west and non muslims' and think that Sadiq Khan also fits that fallacy and using 'your muslim' as some sort of insult. Pathetic.
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    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    I hardly see this as a conversation, just people making fallacious claims, false generalisations like 'muslims hate the west and non muslims' and think that Sadiq Khan also fits that fallacy and using 'your muslim' as some sort of insult. Pathetic.
    True, but none the less. I really don't understand how people can preach ignorant hatred in this way.
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    (Original post by giveupbeth)
    True, but none the less. I really don't understand how people can preach ignorant hatred in this way.
    Thank god they are the minority. They argue they are voting Zac Goldsmith and their justification is 'Sadiq Khan hangs out with terrorists.' Smh. He's won now, and watch how great he will be as mayor.
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    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    As i said, you're very emotional. Im not even muslim, the most i know about it is from school. You're very quick to make rash generalisations and deliberately portray muslims in a bad light to support your own agenda. Lucky the rest of London hasnt fell for others who agree with your toxic views.
    and i could say the same about you. pushing your left wing agenda and brandishing anyone who disagree a racist. you are no better or wiser than me.
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    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    Thank god they are the minority. They argue they are voting Zac Goldsmith and their justification is 'Sadiq Khan hangs out with terrorists.' Smh. He's won now, and watch how great he will be as mayor.
    True ignorance. Very glad the right candidate is going to win, thanks in part I'm sure to the more sensible conservatives who don't abide this sort of hatred.
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    (Original post by Parx)
    and i could say the same about you. pushing your left wing agenda and brandishing anyone who disagree a racist. you are no better or wiser than me.
    Can you point out where i've called anyone a racist? No, because like everything you've said, its a load of rubbish.
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    (Original post by giveupbeth)
    True ignorance. Very glad the right candidate is going to win, thanks in part I'm sure to the more sensible conservatives who don't abide this sort of hatred.
    You will find most centre right conservatives wouldnt have voted for Zac. In truth, they have also criticised him for his abhorrent and disgusting campaign he ran. I cant think of one of his agendas apart from ''Dont vote for Sadiq! He shared platforms with a terrorist!''

    Sadiq on the other hand laid his policies eloquently and has proved to have an agenda with more substance and attraction. He did play the safe game, being the favourite since the very start but he still was consistent and held his nerve, especially when the Lib Dem candidate and even the green candidate gave him a tough time.
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    1) then you don't understand individual freedom then. individuals aren't look at with a social context, they are looked upon as universal and self-owning beings. they don't rely on others for their rights. maybe they rely on states to reinforce those rights, but the rights as concepts of deservedness and non-violence precede governments. concerning creativity, I wouldn't know how socialism encourages creativity when there is less of an incentive to take risks. if I wanted to be a painter, for example, I would need to enjoy painting and have the talent ncessary to get any money. people should only pay me if they want my work. in socialism, it is justified that people ought to pay others whether they want to or not (e.g. minimum wage, higher taxes, etc) - if you want creativity, let people guide themselves via their motivation and talents.
    2) so if you say something about capitalism like this, I should assume you have no idea about capitalism? but no problem, I'm not trying to portray you as such
    3) you know, I would say I'm a good representation of somebody who *is* informed about things like socialism and islam, and all logic and evidence concerning those things points in the opposite direction of truth. islam as a religion and islam vis-a-vis culture are not good things when we have an understanding of "good" (in cultural and ideological terms) as things like freedom, equality, tolerance, justice etc - islam doesn't support those things at all. also, socialism's only (in my opinion) trump card is equality, but the thing about equality is that it comes at the cost of prosperity and innovation. for example, if you had a company that had to compete with other companies in a dog-eat-dog world (capitalism), and you had a company which would be subsisided or would be bailed out no matter what it did, which company out of these two would you see as more likely to harbour needed success, innovation, employing people with real work, etc? I have no idea how it could possibly be the very short-sighted plan of public states propping up companies that would and should fail in the market - companies that have to pay their employees too much too will fail, and hence, minimum wage is a bad idea. I could go on and on.
    This gave me a good laugh, thanks for that.
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    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    You will find most centre right conservatives wouldnt have voted for Zac. In truth, they have also criticised him for his abhorrent and disgusting campaign he ran. I cant think of one of his agendas apart from ''Dont vote for Sadiq! He shared platforms with a terrorist!''

    Sadiq on the other hand laid his policies eloquently and has proved to have an agenda with more substance and attraction. He did play the safe game, being the favourite since the very start but he still was consistent and held his nerve, especially when the Lib Dem candidate and even the green candidate gave him a tough time.
    Very true, I've seen several candidates turn to Labour for the first time in this election. Sadiq was obviously the superior candidate, but Zac's campaign was truly a sad state of affairs. Many people liked him- conservative and otherwise- before this, but he ran the campaign that he thought would score him the votes. Thankfully, the majority saw past it.
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    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    This gave me a good laugh, thanks for that.
    what do you mean
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    If you live in Barnet and tried to vote this morning you could have been turned away. I had my polling card with me so was allowed to vote.
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    what do you mean
    You're wrong on so many levels that it entertained me. Whats even funnier is you talk as if what you are saying is right.
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    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    You're wrong on so many levels that it entertained me. Whats even funnier is you talk as if what you are saying is right.
    go on then - explain how I'm wrong, if you can
 
 
 
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