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    (Original post by candyaljamila)
    Anyone can study for free in Germany (and France). It has nothing to do with being in the EU. American students and students from other continents all study in Germany for free.
    You could also argue that students in other EU countries tend to learn English as a second language from a young age. The same is not true for most British students who are monolingual. Meaning that this agreement advantages them more than it advantages us.
    oh ok....
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    (Original post by Whiggy)
    Should we leave the EU, the trade deals that the UK manages to make will be more restrictive and less cost-effective than our access to the Single Market.
    I don't think being at least 1bn cheaper is less cost effective...

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    I've got it right here in front of me. It's annotated a bit, but still here.

    Yes, funny how David Cameron can spend millions on making these, but isn't prepared to defend these views in a live debate (I suspect because INers' arguments fall apart when challenged
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    Corbyn knows he is well out of step with both the PLP and the party at large on this issue.

    Yes, but in the 70s, 80s and early 90s Labour almost exclusively were anti-EU, and since then it's only got worse
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    First thing I want to say is that although the most prominent campaigners for leaving the EU are on the right, that is not to say that there isn't a left wing reason for leaving, so seek out the opinions of parties likes TUSC who give an alternative argument for leaving the EU. Secondly, take anything you hear with a pinch of salt if it is from someone who only argues one side of the argument (whether it is remain or leave). These people are either delusional or simply trying to win you over to their side, so will provide you with a load of bs. You're better off listening to people who recognise that the EU has both positives and negatives and so will give you those facts, Jeremy Corbyn being a prime example. Throughout the next 6 weeks you will hear the remain campaign claiming it is better for the economy, it is better for trade, it is better for national security, etc., and then you will hear the leave campaign claim the exact same things for themselves. Don't buy it from either of them. Seek out the facts, avoid the bs. As for myself, I think I will vote to remain, but I can be swayed.

    It's also just occurred to me that I will need to apply for a postal vote as I do not know where I will be living on the 23rd June as of yet. This is probably an issue for many students, especially people graduating like myself, so is worth consideration. Trust the tories to schedule a vote for a time that is inconvenient for students.
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    (Original post by Queen Cersei)
    I'm trying to write an article on the EU referendum, outlining the arguments for remaining and for leaving and it would be great to hear from the MHoC so I could include some quotes in the article to help guide the rest of the community with their decision.

    So far I've got these headers for each argument, it would be really helpful to know if I've missed something or there's something better I could swap in?

    If you want to share your opinions on any of the arguments for the article just post below!

    Thanks so much in advance!
    I'm in favour of leave as a left winger, but I'll voice my one concern as a rural person:

    Agriculture

    The EU's Common Agricultural Policy is vital for the survival of the agricultural sector in the UK.

    In 2015, UK farmers received almost £2.4bn in direct payments, according to the NFU.
    In total, 55% of UK total income from farming comes from CAP support.

    Simply removing CAP support while it remained in place in the rest of Europe could be devastating for the industry. What is certain is that no UK government would subsidise agriculture on the scale operated under the CAP.

    But here is the reason for why I am for leaving:

    Socialism
    Core socialist policies include the renationalisation of privatised public services, industries and utilities; defending the right to asylum and opposing racist immigration controls; and democratic public ownership of banks and major companies. All of these policies go against EU treaties.

    The EU also force a policy of fiscal austerity on the state thought up by neoclassical romanticists, instead of Keynesian pragmatists, who would clearly be against the cutting of vital public services.


    Hope I've helped - good luck
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    (Original post by cBay)
    First thing I want to say is that although the most prominent campaigners for leaving the EU are on the right, that is not to say that there isn't a left wing reason for leaving, so seek out the opinions of parties likes TUSC who give an alternative argument for leaving the EU. Secondly, take anything you hear with a pinch of salt if it is from someone who only argues one side of the argument (whether it is remain or leave). These people are either delusional or simply trying to win you over to their side, so will provide you with a load of bs. You're better off listening to people who recognise that the EU has both positives and negatives and so will give you those facts, Jeremy Corbyn being a prime example. Throughout the next 6 weeks you will hear the remain campaign claiming it is better for the economy, it is better for trade, it is better for national security, etc., and then you will hear the leave campaign claim the exact same things for themselves. Don't buy it from either of them. Seek out the facts, avoid the bs. As for myself, I think I will vote to remain, but I can be swayed.

    It's also just occurred to me that I will need to apply for a postal vote as I do not know where I will be living on the 23rd June as of yet. This is probably an issue for many students, especially people graduating like myself, so is worth consideration. Trust the tories to schedule a vote for a time that is inconvenient for students.
    You do get Hoey on the left, or at least relatively left


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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Further we can look at the key sectors of our economy. The single market does not cover services; naturally we have been trying for decades to get it included but the rest of the EU simply don't want it, presumably due to our superior sector but that's mere speculation. As a proportion of our financial service exports 33% of it is to the EU where people pretend we have access to this single market, on the other hand with the US, where there is no illusion of a single market, 31%. The US alone consumes about as much of our financial services export as the EU despite not being in the common market. There is a reason that even the likes of the US use our services rather than their own, part of that is the quality that we offer, and that is greater than what Frankfurt has to offer.
    I'm not sure why the status of the single market for services is relevant to the discussion. The benefit that many financial institutions argue has never been to do with the single market of services, but the ability to passport financial services (as tengentoppa mentioned) to the rest of the EU where firms are able to offer their services without establishing local operations. The loss of that means firms that want to sell to EU customers have to move operations to retain the convenience of having a single base from which to sell it's offerings.

    It is true that UK financial services possess a number of advantages which are not directly from the EU (the English language, very convenient time-zone, pool of talent etc.) but some of these can be indirectly lost as well. The Irish can speak English, are in the same time-zone and have a more competitive tax environment that the UK whilst an overly-aggressive change in immigration policy can put off foreign talent unintentionally. The UK's advantage in quality can be diminished if domestic talent moves abroad to follow the jobs (where they don't have to pay sky-high amounts of money to live in London).

    You may argue that the retaining of passporting could be negotiated post-Brexit, but it is questionable how this could be secured without compromising on several other core positions such as on the freedom of movement.

    A big argument that the Brexit case should be using in terms of the financial industry is one of regulation where there is almost universal agreement that the EU is highly, if not overly aggressive with new proposals which will hurt us more than other countries given the importance of the industry to the economy. Unfortunately, I doubt that it would be the message they will want to use given the public wants exactly that - more regulation on the industry.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    The ones with pizza offers on them.
    You do realise that pizza will be banned if we leave the EU

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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    You do realise that pizza will be banned if we leave the EU

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    Hard to order pizza when we have died in the nuclear holocaust that will happen on the 24th
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You do get Hoey on the left, or at least relatively left

    I am trying to get my head round the concept of something being to the right of Kate Hoey.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Hard to order pizza when we have died in the nuclear holocaust that will happen on the 24th
    But that's not important because we will have control of our own borders and we will be able to negotiate our own free trade deals in glowing rocks with Commonwealth nations like Tuvalu
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    I am trying to get my head round the concept of something being to the right of Kate Hoey.
    I know the Tories are hardly right wing these days, but if a Labour MP is as right as it gets there really is something wrong.
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    Cheaper roaming charging ( if we're in ), that's something that'll directly benefit us little people.
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    (Original post by EricAteYou)
    Cheaper roaming charging ( if we're in ), that's something that'll directly benefit us little people.
    Which the government has said will almost certainly still be there in the case of exit

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    So far I just haven't seen any convincing arguments for leaving the EU; I don't know what half the arguments are but some of the ones I've heard are more related to the European Courts which is a different organisation.



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    Oh, please! You are always welcome to stop by! :daydreaming:
    D'awwwww
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Which the government has said will almost certainly still be there in the case of exit

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    I've read very different
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    (Original post by EricAteYou)
    I've read very different
    http://www.euractiv.com/section/digi...uk-government/

    Of course they've changed their story now because they're telling us the apocalypse will happen but it is on the record from a government minister that odds are we will still have access. It covers the EEA, not the EU, just like so many other things the remainians try to say are only for the EU

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    I should point out that in TSR land we have voted to remain in the EU, by a significant margin.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    I should point out that in TSR land we have voted to remain in the EU, by a significant margin.
    Hardly relevant, is it?
 
 
 
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