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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Oh god, you are now sounding suspiciously like a mailite. How many times do I have to say I don't like mass immigration, I support controlled immigration and EU exit. You've clearly just wilfully ignored everything I've written.
    You don't write very clearly, a bit of advice: knock a few of those unnecessarily long words, use paragraphs and stick to one point and I might not misunderstand you in the future...
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    So you would be happy if our culture of liberalism and freedom was replaced with autocracy and hatred of free expression?
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    (Original post by DanteTheDoorKnob)
    You don't write very clearly, a bit of advice: knock a few of those unnecessarily long words, use paragraphs and stick to one point and I might not misunderstand you in the future...
    I don't use unnecessarily long words. 'Lachyrymose' for example- there isn't another word for it, not one, that is grammatical. It really irritates me like someone thinks I'm petty enough to do it for any other reason than articulating something.
    And yes I know no paragraphs, but its isn't a university or a business, it's a conversation where the gist is most important.
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    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    So you would be happy if our culture of liberalism and freedom was replaced with autocracy and hatred of free expression?
    Er no, the polar opposite, someone who again hasn't really read anything Ive written.. Someone who also probably believes in falsehoods of establishment and what they represent and are doing with our country.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    I don't use unnecessarily long words. 'Lachyrymose' for example- there isn't another word for it, not one, that is grammatical. It really irritates me like someone thinks I'm petty enough to do it for any other reason than articulating something.
    And yes I know no paragraphs, but its isn't a university or a business, it's a conversation where the gist is most important.
    It means tearful, weeping or mourning, what's wrong with any of those words? All three of those words are much stronger than Lachyrmose, which is just a horrible abstraction which confuses and shows no imagery whatsoever. Communication is extremely important in conversation, once I know you well enough, and I know your thoughts are well worth studying i'll pay attention to them more and work out what you say, but lots of people on here are used to people posting awful rants, so they won't waste time on it.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Er no, the polar opposite, someone who again hasn't really read anything Ive written.. Someone who also probably believes in falsehoods of establishment and what they represent and are doing with our country.
    Well, you seem to endorse the change in culture, and considering the kind of people coming in, this is what we stare in the face.
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    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    Well, you seem to endorse the change in culture, and considering the kind of people coming in, this is what we stare in the face.
    Well I seem to because you have placed me in a camp, most likely, and caricatured me as believing something I don't. That said I am under no illusions about the supposed loveliness or workability or sustainability of what was there, and I do believe in controlled immigration.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    I don't use unnecessarily long words. 'Lachyrymose' for example- there isn't another word for it, not one, that is grammatical. It really irritates me like someone thinks I'm petty enough to do it for any other reason than articulating something.
    And yes I know no paragraphs, but its isn't a university or a business, it's a conversation where the gist is most important.
    There are several that are perfectly grammatical.

    "Tearful" or "Teary Eyed" or "Weepy" all express much the same concept for example.

    There is nothing wrong with the word lachyrmose, though. If you want to use it, why not? It is a free country...
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    Wait, what are we arguing about now?
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    I don't use unnecessarily long words. 'Lachyrymose' for example- there isn't another word for it, not one, that is grammatical. It really irritates me like someone thinks I'm petty enough to do it for any other reason than articulating something.
    And yes I know no paragraphs, but its isn't a university or a business, it's a conversation where the gist is most important.
    Weepy? Emotionally manipulative?
    Regardless, criticising you for choosing a word we wouldn't seems churlish and uncharitable.

    Just as your implication that "we" did anything. "We" did not colonize the world - I do not know how old you are, but I was born long after the things you're complaining "we" did occurred.

    The explanation, of course, is that you meant we are collectively responsible for the actions of a small minority of our ethnic group that occurred oceans of time ago.

    And, of course, if you meant that, then every other ethnic group is responsible for the actions perpetrated by a minority of their respective ethnic groups.

    My actual argument will vary: can you clarify? Are you saying all of us personally sailed 600 years ago around the world to colonize or are you saying ethnic groups are responsible for the actions of a minority that occurred centuries in the past?
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    (Original post by ThatOldGuy)
    Weepy? Emotionally manipulative?
    Regardless, criticising you for choosing a word we wouldn't seems churlish and uncharitable.
    I haven't got time to reply to the rest atm, later. It's odd isn't it. I have had this a few times, and I know others get it. I find it slightly surreal. I have no idea if they genuinely think it is an attempt at linguistic one upmanship, rather than to articulate a point, or if they are simply trying to divert the conversation, or it's some machiavellian smear tactic. I think it says more about them and their insecurity, I mean who the hell has time to come on here for that purpose, why would I be writing for any other reason than to write stuff I care about and to articulate a point? If people are so utterly petty and paranoid about it or it makes them feel bad, I couldn't care less and won't pander. Fine disagree with my points, but that accusation is just mealy mouthed as you say. It also seems to represent some weird conformist groupthink, another of my pet hates. It kind of illustrates my point , when people come along and talk about how 'we' would do things, and denounce language I use and suggest what would play well. It has some vague subtle hints of the totalitarian hatred of eccentricity in it, which I predict is only going to get more pronounced with time. It's kind of interwoven with the thing I've been talking about the type of British person who is so pro-establishment besides immigrants.
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    (Original post by GonvilleBromhead)
    Then you are validating the immigration changes culture argument. I happen not to want to return to Iceni culture either but the material facts are as presented.

    Its not hypocrisy to criticise one thing but not the other, immigration is very ground level for a lot of people. Especially if you're a londoner or live in the more northern cities like machester or birmingham (not particularly northern but bear with me here) - the mass increase has very suddenly changed your immediacy and people are picking up on it due to the stark effects. Moral denouncement is inevitable with meeting cultures, we dont like certain things they adhere to and vice versa. If people didn't believe their morals to be sound and superior to others then they wouldn't hold that set of moralistic views as it would profess inferiority of opinion.

    To quote game of thrones 'the eloquent are wrong quite as often, if not more so, than the foolish'. Whatever these people are themselves (it censored it so I'll work on the presumption of any insulting word will suffice) they may still be right in their opinion and to dismiss it ad hominem is foolish. Simply because they do not focus on some items does not invalidate their analysis of all and my experience such analyses are far from identical. As for recognising greater problems or i suppose other problems is a more appropriate terminology, this is in so small part due to subtle ways in which these changes manifest - for example the government passed porn laws basically independent of public consultation, they called to an end for FOI and quietly buried that when it failed, have used the NSA to spy on people in a way that would be illegal were they to do it directly, leaned on the police to cover up Rotherham, Hillsborough and paedophiles in high circles, our governments are not perfect by any stretch. But all these problems were shied by the media, they dont generate the clicks because people don't care. Even news about immigrants and immigration is one and done. Anger is the strongest emotion but also the quickest to fade and papers use this, printing the equivalent of clickbait and trying to keep people permanently shocked and surprised to sell copies - real deep investigative or consideration based journalism died when the peoples want for tidbits and celebrity news outran their concern for the deeper issues. Society is ever more shallow and we reap what we sow in that regard.
    Looks interesting this, don't have time but I'll give it a proper read later. Unlike some of my detractors I am prepared to listen to objective arguments from other people. And as for those amongst you who don't read a single thing, who act like a herd and try and round on the first sight on non-conformity, shame on you. You are a totalitarians dream. Only partial j/king
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Looks interesting this, don't have time but I'll give it a proper read later. Unlike some of my detractors I am prepared to listen to objective arguments from other people. And as for those amongst you who don't read a single thing, who act like a herd and try and round on the first sight on non-conformity, shame on you. You are a totalitarians dream. Only partial j/king
    Objectivity is key, you have every right to be convinced of your own opinion but you need to back it up with evidence and be prepared to renege to superior evidence. Unfortunately the internet is a bastion of s**t slinging rather than reasoned argument
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    The preserving of the current status quo, social and economic liberalism, but along with clear class (and what should be antiquated) distinctions and lack of social mobility and a core of power and establishment that is the same people? Could you really tell me you're against that?
    Am I against social and economic liberalism, which has improved the lives of more people than anything else ever? No! Do I support a "lack" of social mobility (a lack relative to what exactly?) and small over-representation of certain groups in government? If your proposed alternative is vague ramblings about Napoleon and slave-owners like George Washington (since you are apparently a fan of the American and French revolutions), then yes.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    I haven't got time to reply to the rest atm, later. It's odd isn't it. I have had this a few times, and I know others get it. I find it slightly surreal. I have no idea if they genuinely think it is an attempt at linguistic one upmanship, rather than to articulate a point, or if they are simply trying to divert the conversation, or it's some machiavellian smear tactic. I think it says more about them and their insecurity, I mean who the hell has time to come on here for that purpose, why would I be writing for any other reason than to write stuff I care about and to articulate a point? If people are so utterly petty and paranoid about it or it makes them feel bad, I couldn't care less and won't pander. Fine disagree with my points, but that accusation is just mealy mouthed as you say. It also seems to represent some weird conformist groupthink, another of my pet hates. It kind of illustrates my point , when people come along and talk about how 'we' would do things, and denounce language I use and suggest what would play well. It has some vague subtle hints of the totalitarian hatred of eccentricity in it, which I predict is only going to get more pronounced with time. It's kind of interwoven with the thing I've been talking about the type of British person who is so pro-establishment besides immigrants.
    A voice of sense amongst the ramblings of an arrogant and needlessly opinionated group of people
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    For a few reasons. One is that it acts as a deflection, from the structural issues of this country and the problem with establishment, which is never ever questioned. Two is because we colonized the world, exploited the resources, built wealth, which of course largely went to one sub-sector, then of course got migrants, it started then, and have continued to promote some of the most rigid class distinctions on the planet, the most in truth, if it's not just by money, and have wrecked social mobility even when we had a chance at it and it was producing great talent(grammar schools). Then, if you read the likes of the mail's comments page, we act genuinely aghast that our society cannot find any solidarity to apparently 'preserve our own culture'. Some of them sound misty eyed. I hate this lachrymose sentimentality, there's something about it that grates like hell, especially given what we have always really been like, one-upmanship, backstabbing, hypocrisy, class obsession, claiming to be in the public interest but self-interested, Looking to look down continuously and denounce, (Hillsborough anyone) whilst looking to kiss arse to the right classes, and just being generally vile and smug. How can this unquestioning *****yness and refusal to question anything or take it's head out of it's pompous arse, so devoid of solidarity and so hypocritical(and that's not just me, the world says it, including the great man Nietzsche)now be getting all self-righteous and sentimental about preserving something, and as for talk about morals they should take a look in the mirror, I'm sure if all the migrants left and we went back to what we were it would be just a lovely atmosphere wouldn't it? The foreigners and pockets of non-conservative thinking, are in many cases the only thing to make it bearable. And yeah I know you can get that in London.
    Without trying to be critical but smoke and mirrors are in place which I think you have done with this post - whilst we may have exploited some of the resources, we did not ask the migrants to come to England in their droves. I think some people including you misinterpret what we really mean by "culture" To stop migrants throwing this argument back i phrase it as identity. There is no question that England has lost it's identity on every stretch of high street i have visited in the Midlands in the last 2 years or so their has been a Polish shop- this is where we are losing identity English people rarely ever run small corner shops it is now the Polish and Asians who run small corner shops, why is this- they would rather "buy from their own" then go to a supermarket. We have also lost our identity by the loss of many pubs in the UK, low wages and disposable income can be a reason for the loss of some pubs - but many have been converted in to mosques, an example is shown in the link below

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/611...nger-residents

    This really annoys British people because we are losing things like pubs which are instrumental in the social values of Britain and has a negative impact, it makes the British people think that the government is backing migrants over them which is sort of true when you think of it as a yes or no answer and this is because they are satisfying the needs of immigrants over the needs of the local British people who used to Drink in those pubs, it divides the local community and drives some people to hate immigrants because they have lost something they love doing. In my opinion we should never knock down Pubs, Factories or shops for Mosques it has a negative impact on the British people because they feel that nobody is listening to them and the government is backing ethnic minorities over them and it also has a negative influence on the local community because it is dividing people instead of uniting them.

    I will end on this comment, I think you have misintepreted the context of what people really think it is about time the government put British people before Immigrants and listened to our views aswell of those from Migrants
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    Pubs are declining in this country due to changing attitudes amongst young people towards drinking, the centralisation of nightlife, the increasing popularity of drinking at home, the fact that now i have all the entertainment i need at home, as a country we are more health conscious than the past generation, we no longer have as many traditional 9 - 5 jobs, etc, etc. Immigrants are the last reason why pubs are declining.

    I can't hate on all those Polish shops at all. Some great quality Eastern European beer in a lot of them round here. Can't hate on the entrepreneurship in that community.


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    (Original post by jblackmoustache)
    Pubs are declining in this country due to changing attitudes amongst young people towards drinking, the centralisation of nightlife, the increasing popularity of drinking at hone, the fact that now i have all the entertainment i need at home, as a country we are more health conscious than the past generation, etc.


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    Well if you just think of an area such as small heath or Aston in Birmingham with massive Asian populations are going to inevitably have less customers, this is a robust finding why is this- probably because the demographics of the area means that there is a lot of muslims in the area so your target audience is already very low, which in turn is curtains for any pub because drinking in pubs is quite expensive.
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    (Original post by Trumpo Trumpu)
    Well if you just think of an area such as small heath or Aston in Birmingham with massive Asian populations are going to inevitably have less customers, this is a robust finding why is this- probably because the demographics of the area means that there is a lot of muslims in the area so your target audience is already very low, which in turn is curtains for any pub because drinking in pubs is quite expensive.
    Asians drink, but it's more hidden than in white British communities. It's BS that Asian populations don't touch alcohol, especially amongst British born Asians.


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