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    It benefits companies because the British taxpayer pays a fee to the EU for tariff free trade. If the UK left the EU, each individual company will have to pay tariffs so it bears more of the cost.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    It benefits companies because the British taxpayer pays a fee to the EU for tariff free trade. If the UK left the EU, each individual company will have to pay tariffs so it bears more of the cost.
    I think the points you are missing are that these companies are also tax payers, and ordinary citizens benefit from a tariff free regime because it essentially means lower prices (and more competition, in the case of the Single Market).
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    (Original post by The gains kinggg)
    nope.

    Awful schools awful roads awful infrastructure
    Having just spent time in Denmark and having friends who live there, you're talking ********.

    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You mean two countries without !minimum wages have higher minimum wages than us? Interesting.How about going somewhere with a £20-50 minimum wage, first boat there?Posted from TSR Mobile
    What point are you trying to make?
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    (Original post by SHallowvale)
    Having just spent time in Denmark and having friends who live there, you're talking ********.

    What point are you trying to make?
    lol, considering i used to live there you are wrong buddy
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    (Original post by The gains kinggg)
    lol, considering i used to live there you are wrong buddy
    Fair enough, why do you think these three things are worse?
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    (Original post by SHallowvale)
    Fair enough, why do you think these three things are worse?

    Schools- My cousin said that they learn nothing an the exam system is crap

    Infrastructure/roads- bad condition and constantly blocked. Lack of public transport especially in rural areas
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Because I'd rather not leave worker rights and protections in the hands of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.
    Nigel Farage would have no power, he's an MEP he's not a member of the British Parliament.

    Boris Johnson might be PM in a Brexit scenario however he will know that he's accountable to the British electorate. So his polices on workers' rights will need to be acceptable to the British people, else the Conservatives will be voted out and then worker rights/protections would be in the hands of a Labour government.
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    (Original post by typonaut)
    I think the points you are missing are that these companies are also tax payers, and ordinary citizens benefit from a tariff free regime because it essentially means lower prices (and more competition, in the case of the Single Market).
    (Original post by Maker)
    It benefits companies because the British taxpayer pays a fee to the EU for tariff free trade. If the UK left the EU, each individual company will have to pay tariffs so it bears more of the cost.
    They also suffer because of the regulations to keep uncompetitive businesses in business and the knock on effects, driving up costs in two ways: 1) the uncompetitive businesses aren't allowed to fail so they have higher prices mandated, e.g. with CAP, to keep in businesses that then drives up costs for other industries; 2) the high tariffs for those outside the EU means that the cheaper competition is also made too expensive to compete, so you have prices being made artificially high inside fortress Europe, and forces uncompetitively high for those outside fortress Europe. The EU is a protectionist racket, not the saviour of the consumer.

    (Original post by SHallowvale)
    Having just spent time in Denmark and having friends who live there, you're talking ********.

    What point are you trying to make?
    Care to show me the minimum wage legislation then? Unions agree a minimum wage, the government does not set a minimum wage, they are two different things.
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    Millions of pounds come from the EU for University research. This has direct influence on the quality of undergrad teaching, facilities and opportunities.

    'Study Abroad' to anywhere in the EU depends on mutual Erasmus funding.

    Opportunities to study in Europe at postgrad level without paying overseas fees.

    Talented academic and other University staff being able to work and share ideas/research in each other's countries without visas, permits or quotas.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    Nigel Farage would have no power, he's an MEP he's not a member of the British Parliament.

    Boris Johnson might be PM in a Brexit scenario however he will know that he's accountable to the British electorate. So his polices on workers' rights will need to be acceptable to the British people, else the Conservatives will be voted out and then worker rights/protections would be in the hands of a Labour government.
    Farage has said he could see himself working for a Boris Johnson government. The thought terrifies me.
    Boris and Farage together would make Trump look genuine and reasonable.
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    I want to move away from the UK to live elsewhere in Europe, and it's not gonna be as easy if we leave the EU.
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    (Original post by The gains kinggg)
    Schools- My cousin said that they learn nothing an the exam system is crap

    Infrastructure/roads- bad condition and constantly blocked. Lack of public transport especially in rural areas
    Really? When I was there all the roads were in excellent condition and never once did we get stuck in traffic. This was both in the capital and smaller towns elsewhere, both also had god public transport and cycle paths on all of the roads.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    It benefits companies because the British taxpayer pays a fee to the EU for tariff free trade. If the UK left the EU, each individual company will have to pay tariffs so it bears more of the cost.
    Then these same companies have the cheek to tax dodge.
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    (Original post by JNDSAN)
    in all seriousness, there are only a few reasons i can think of for people wanting to stay in:

    1.) being a young naive socialist who want a federal Europe

    2.) not knowing a thing about the workings of the EU but just not wanting to take a risk by leaving (obviously it escapes these people that staying in is the real, gigantic risk)

    3.) Being satisfied with the status quo and being generally apathetic

    - For security, economic prosperity, long term national unity, democracy, sovereignty, it's clear we need to leave. I hope that the past 40 odd years has just been a blip in our history and we'll go back to the self-governing, confident nation we used to be to grab hold of our future.
    This ^ This is spot on, explains it exactly.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Farage has said he could see himself working for a Boris Johnson government. The thought terrifies me.
    Boris and Farage together would make Trump look genuine and reasonable.
    Farage is trying to kiss Boris's ass and beg for a job but the fact is he's not an MP, he's not in the Conservatives, and he doesn't have much to offer Boris.

    He might get some ceremonial role like the "cigarette Tsar" etc but if Boris becomes leader he is going to play power games and he will make sure he uses his patronage of important jobs with people who can cement his position ie a range of upcomers and big beasts in the Conservative party.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Farage has said he could see himself working for a Boris Johnson government. The thought terrifies me.
    Boris and Farage together would make Trump look genuine and reasonable.
    I also can see myself working for a Boris Johnson government. I fancy myself as Minister for Corporate Hospitality with special responsibility for Overseas Fact Finding in the Caribbean.

    Corporate Hospitality is vital to UK trade interests and it is very important that it is delivered to an appropriate standard.

    Likewise the Caribbean is the key area in the world for information gathering about best practice in all areas of the economy, as can be seen from the number of fact finding missions from all countries of the world to that region.
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    (Original post by typonaut)
    I think the points you are missing are that these companies are also tax payers, and ordinary citizens benefit from a tariff free regime because it essentially means lower prices (and more competition, in the case of the Single Market).
    Its like the NHS, everyone pays into it but only the ill need to use it. In a private system, only the users would pay.

    If there were tariffs, only the companies importing and exporting goods would pay rather than the whole population as it is now.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    They also suffer because of the regulations to keep uncompetitive businesses in business and the knock on effects, driving up costs in two ways: 1) the uncompetitive businesses aren't allowed to fail so they have higher prices mandated, e.g. with CAP, to keep in businesses that then drives up costs for other industries; 2) the high tariffs for those outside the EU means that the cheaper competition is also made too expensive to compete, so you have prices being made artificially high inside fortress Europe, and forces uncompetitively high for those outside fortress Europe. The EU is a protectionist racket, not the saviour of the consumer.



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    Very few businesses get EU help, certainly not BHS or the steel industry. Only certain farmers get CAP and the Tory government whom I assume you support says they will carry on subsidising farmers if there is a Brexit. If you oppose farm subsidies, you should not be supporting the Tories.

    You can drop tariffs but it would cause unemployment because cheaper goods from overseas will put those making them in the EU out of business, its a country's choice.

    Do you think the UK will drop tariffs after a Brexit and put hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk such as steel makers in Port Talbot who are suffering from cheap steel from China? The Tory government wants the EU to put tariffs on steel from China.
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    > Trade and collaboration

    > Visa - Free

    > Scotland will probs remain in UK

    > Participation in implementing policies/laws behalf of Europe

    > Influence and significance as it's the largest bloc in terms of size.

    > Security. Centralized Anti-terror units. Most efficient when part of EU.

    > Minimizes local corruption :yy:
 
 
 
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