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    My sister has recently decided to go vegan and it's a massive pain in the ass. She's very impressionable and literally every trend that comes around she participates wholeheartedly. It's annoying because she tries to impose her beliefs on everyone in our family. When my parents cook dinner she will refuse to eat thus basically forcing them to make her a sepearte meal. When we go to someone else's house she refuses to eat anything, making the host feel uncomfortable. We just can't go out to eat with her unless we all eat what she wants (we are willing to eat vegetarian but not vegan). On top of this she has lost a vast amount of weight and doesn't care about what nutrients/vitamins she is lacking in. I feel like young people are so influenced by these sort of diets and bc they are young they are unable to have a balanced diet making veganism a completely unhealthy diet when it should be the complete opposite.
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    (Original post by Serine Soul)
    Compared to 6 pints cow milk for £1.50? Every penny counts
    Well done, you will save a massive total of £10 in a whole year, I'm sure the cow titty juice is worth it
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    (Original post by Justmoll28)
    that veganism is 'hard' or 'too expensive' or 'too time consuming'

    it baffles me..i want to know why people think this?
    It's hard because most people in this society grow up with animal products being a massive part of their diet and switching to no animal products is a big change.
    It's expensive because of the price of organic food and perhaps all the ingredients you're buying to cook a nutritious vegan meal
    It's time consuming because if you don't have the time to cook nutritious meals, you could fall into a habit of just not eating adequately because you're limited on the amount of quick/filling/nutritious foods you can eat on the go
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    (Original post by Justmoll28)
    nope: Vegans, in addition to being vegetarian, do not use other animal products and by-products such as eggs, dairy products, honey, leather, fur, silk, wool, cosmetics, and soaps derived from animal products.
    wat... so how do they get protein then?

    do they like grow it in a lab or something?
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    I think if people want to be vegan that's their choice but I've never met a vegan who isn't a complete a$$. there is a real need for them to impose their views on everyone. I've looked at the facts I'm not unintelligent but I've chosen my way to live and expect it to be equally respected
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    (Original post by Steelmeat)
    wat... so how do they get protein then?

    do they like grow it in a lab or something?
    Vegetables, soya milk, tofu, beans, nuts and plenty of other vegan foods are all rich in protein
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    (Original post by lehcarbat)
    Vegetables, soya milk, tofu, beans, nuts and plenty of other vegan foods are all rich in protein
    oh i see
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    (Original post by Mimsycrafts)
    I think if people want to be vegan that's their choice but I've never met a vegan who isn't a complete a$$. there is a real need for them to impose their views on everyone. I've looked at the facts I'm not unintelligent but I've chosen my way to live and expect it to be equally respected
    Do you respect the cows right to live?

    Can you give us some facts on why you should eat meat?
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    It's ignorance. Deliberate

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    If people choose to do it, then fine, but I don't think its right to try to guilt other people into it. They chose their diet, I chose mine, I don't constantly tell people about what I eat. A couple of people in my family were vegans for a short time and it was always so hard finding a place were we could all eat and providing food for family parties and stuff. It was really expensive trying to find good quality alternatives, and time consuming checking every single thing (not just food) for animal byproducts. I also disagree with trying to force vegan diets on children or pets. In the case of kids, let them decide if they want to follow that diet when they're old enough, I hate to think what that kind of separation would do to them at parties etc when they aren't allowed to share cake/chocolate with friends.
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    (Original post by BasingstokeBoy)
    If people choose to do it, then fine, but I don't think its right to try to guilt other people into it. They chose their diet, I chose mine, I don't constantly of people in my family were vegans for a short time and it was always so hard finding a place were we could all eat and providing food for family parties and stuff. It was really expensive trying to find good quality alternatives, and time consuming checking every singleI also disagree with trying to force vegan diets on children or pets. In the case of kids, let them decide if they want to follow that diet when they're old enough, I hate to think what that kind of separation would do to them at parties etc when they aren't allowed to share cake/chocolate with friends.
    So forcing kids to eat meat is a good alternative?
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    (Original post by MotorboatMyGoat)
    Well done, you will save a massive total of £10 in a whole year, I'm sure the cow titty juice is worth it
    My family uses about 2 bottles of 6 pints milk a week, to have 12 pints of vegan milk will cost around £7 a week, compared to £3 for cow milk, that's a £4 difference, which is £208 a year... (just under my family's weekly income...)
    Fair enough people living on their own might be able to do that but for goodness' sake we don't live off milk alone, how do we make the transition from cheeses (fish and meat)? Alternatives? Oh wait, yeah that's pretty costly too.

    You simply can't expect people to go vegan unless the food is made cheaper...
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    (Original post by MotorboatMyGoat)
    So forcing kids to eat meat is a good alternative?
    The entire point I was making was that kids should choose what they eat and shouldn't be forced to follow a certain diet unless there are actual health reasons.
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    (Original post by BasingstokeBoy)
    The entire point I was making was that kids should choose what they eat and shouldn't be forced to follow a certain diet unless there are actual health reasons.
    You have no point. All parents make choices for their kids, because they cannot make choices for themselves. Both sides force their kids
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    (Original post by Serine Soul)
    My family uses about 2 bottles of 6 pints milk a week, to have 12 pints of vegan milk will cost around £7 a week, compared to £3 for cow milk, that's a £4 difference, which is £208 a year... (just under my family's weekly income...)
    Fair enough people living on their own might be able to do that but for goodness' sake we don't live off milk alone, how do we make the transition from cheeses (fish and meat)? Alternatives? Oh wait, yeah that's pretty costly too.

    You simply can't expect people to vegan unless the food is made cheaper...
    Meat is literally the most expensive food you can buy. Quorn and Linda McCartney products are cheaper.

    Starches, pulses, fruits and veg are the cheapest food.

    It's not just about going straight vegan. Going vegetarian is definitely not anymore expensive than eating meat
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    (Original post by Serine Soul)
    My family uses about 2 bottles of 6 pints milk a week, to have 12 pints of vegan milk will cost around £7 a week, compared to £3 for cow milk, that's a £4 difference, which is £208 a year... (just under my family's weekly income...)
    Fair enough people living on their own might be able to do that but for goodness' sake we don't live off milk alone, how do we make the transition from cheeses (fish and meat)? Alternatives? Oh wait, yeah that's pretty costly too.

    You simply can't expect people to vegan unless the food is made cheaper...
    rice, potatoes, lentils, pasta, beans, grains are soo cheap and are staples in most plant based diets + yeah vegan cheeses/milks are more expensive but you don't NEED them. Check out 'Cheap Lazy Vegan' on YouTube, she managed to live on £1 per day as a vegan for a week! But yeah I do think that it can be time consuming in the beginning learning all the recipes and finding out what you like
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    (Original post by MotorboatMyGoat)
    You have no point. All parents make choices for their kids, because they cannot make choices for themselves. Both sides force their kids
    So forcing a child on a very restrictive diet is totally fine? Okay, if you think that's a fair way to bring up a child, that's your choice. It's also my choice to bring up my own kids on a normal diet.
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    (Original post by MotorboatMyGoat)
    Meat is literally the most expensive food you can buy. Quorn and Linda McCartney products are cheaper.

    Starches, pulses, fruits and veg are the cheapest food.

    It's not just about going straight vegan. Going vegetarian is definitely not anymore expensive than eating meat
    I'm sorry but there is nothing natural about eating quorn isn't it made in a lab!? I've eaten quorn a few times and each time it has given me stomach pain, yet meat never seems to have this effect. And don't get me wrong I'm not someone who eats meat everyday I occasionally eat meat and even then it's only chicken or lamb.
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    (Original post by MotorboatMyGoat)
    Meat is literally the most expensive food you can buy.
    ... No it isn't.
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    (Original post by BasingstokeBoy)
    So forcing a child on a very restrictive diet is totally fine? Okay, if you think that's a fair way to bring up a child, that's your choice. It's also my choice to bring up my own kids on a normal diet.
    restrictive? seriously?? you obviously haven't done any research on the topic and so you shouldn't be making those assumptions!
    Also, the World Health Organisation has now classed processed meats including ham, sausages and lamb as carcinogenic, but sure feeding your children vegetables, fruit and beans is not a 'fair way' to bring up your children!
 
 
 
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