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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    Surely its racist to help bulgaria instead of the old commonwealth (West Indies, Nigeria, Pakistan, India etc)
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    Why should you want to help white nations and not others?


    Note who is calling whom a bigot...
    No, because the EU was built to make war in European impossible, it was a peace and security initiative. Also those countries for various reasons do not sign up to fundamental values agreed upon to join the EU. That's not the Union's fault.
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    The EU is institutionally racist. Such a coincidence all its member states who get to bask in its glory are WHITE COUNTRIES.


    How about letting Chad join or Botswana? White men turning their backs on black people and helping lighter skinned people. Thought not Jean claude Hitler
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    http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/poli...p/index_en.htm

    Nothing's stopping them if they meet the criteria
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    I know its challenging for you, but the USA isnt the EU. Get a map.
    Don't be so belittling of other people. I've given a sound argument all you have done is try and rubbish it by making me out to be dumb. That is not nice and adds nothing to the debate.

    We had a customs, financial support etc etc and "free-ish" movement with Jamaica in the past. It worked quite well. Distance and colour is no bar.

    The EU is deliberately only targeting white euro nations which are not islamic etc etc to form a union with.

    I'm not saying get a map etc etc to you about how the old commonwealth worked. Distance and colour should not be a bar. We could easily trade with Australia or Canada or Japan - distance is not an issue.
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    (Original post by redwhiteandbrit)
    Please don't lie to yourself
    For crying out loud - that is mean showing how silly it is. Why are you being so difficult. Please argue with my argument and don't try and make it something its clearly not. ALL OF US SHOULD WANT THE SAME THING - NAMELY SENSIBLE DISCUSSION. Why play around?

    This thread is about why countries are picked to be in the EU....

    Some people give nice legal documents , I'm saying its all a con. Its a white elitiest club. We should leave and form a multi-racial/ cultural free trade union with nations of any colour or creed from any where in the world.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    Don't be so belittling of other people. I've given a sound argument all you have done is try and rubbish it by making me out to be dumb. That is not nice and adds nothing to the debate.

    We had a customs, financial support etc etc and "free-ish" movement with Jamaica in the past. It worked quite well. Distance and colour is no bar.

    The EU is deliberately only targeting white euro nations which are not islamic etc etc to form a union with.

    I'm not saying get a map etc etc to you about how the old commonwealth worked. Distance and colour should not be a bar. We could easily trade with Australia or Canada or Japan - distance is not an issue.
    You have not given a sound argument.

    Ive pointed out what the aims of the EU are and what you have to do to join. You seem unable to take that onboard hence your inability to see why Bulgaria has managed to join, but cant distinguish that from Hawaii, Jamaica, Tunisia and Africa. its called the European Union for a reason.

    It is not the Commonwealth Union, other European countries have nothing to do with the Commonwealth. Distance is very much an issue as its in its stated aims to form an earea for peace security with the free movement of people without internal borders.

    You seem to wnat to turn it into some racist thing. If you just did some research then you could trace the histiry of Europe and how the EY was formed. you just dont get it.

    Bulgaria is in the EU because its in Europe.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    You have not given a sound argument.

    I....

    You seem to wnat to turn it into some racist thing. If you just did some research then you could trace the histiry of Europe and how the EY was formed. you just dont get it.
    The original EU was based on the "Treaty Of Rome". If you draw a distance circle from Rome you will get to North Africa way before you would get to Finland. North Africa got loads of deaths in WW1 and WW2 (as well as rapes by germans and allies).


    So even using your distance idea (which is rubbish in the 21 st century) it makes no sense.
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    Poor country looking for euro handouts....sure is a mystery.
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    So much white guilt on this thread. Ya'all need to get brain washed like all them Social Justice Warriors over in the USA. Here is "Gazi Kodzo" to indoctrinate (brainwash) you Saxons to release your frustrations and pay the due reparations you owe.

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    (Original post by Madeline_H95)
    Poor country looking for euro handouts....sure is a mystery.
    Racist, possible UKIPer looking for a scapegoat. Randomly saw Bulgaria. Knows nothing about the rich heritage and history,
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    (Original post by homeland.lsw)
    Racist, possible UKIPer looking for a scapegoat. Randomly saw Bulgaria. Knows nothing about the rich heritage and history,
    rude person. The chap gave a valid reason and you have ****ged him off. The UK joined the EEC for not too dis-similar reasons (we were broke in the 1970s and were looking for a way out of the mess) - saying so does not make us racist or ****ging 1970s UK off - its the truth. (more or less).
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    (Original post by homeland.lsw)
    Racist, possible UKIPer looking for a scapegoat. Randomly saw Bulgaria. Knows nothing about the rich heritage and history,
    Bulgaria is a poor country - TRUE
    Bulgaria receive more than it gives to the eu - TRUE
    Bulgaria is economically weak in the eu - TRUE

    What I said is undeniable facts. It's true. Bulgaria is in the eu for free cash.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    The original EU was based on the "Treaty Of Rome". If you draw a distance circle from Rome you will get to North Africa way before you would get to Finland. North Africa got loads of deaths in WW1 and WW2 (as well as rapes by germans and allies).

    So even using your distance idea (which is rubbish in the 21 st century) it makes no sense.
    Except it was amended by the Treaty of Lisbon in 2007 . It isnt a distance argyment , its those countries which are within Europe, which is why it is called the European Union and not the European, African and Jamaican Union.

    It makes no sense if you dont appreciate what the EU is. Guess which continent Bulgaria is on and guess which one Jamiaca is on?

    Objectives
    The EU’s enlargement policy aims to unite European countries in a common political and economic project. Guided by the Union’s values and subject to strict conditions, enlargement has proved one of the most successful tools in promoting political, economic and societal reforms, and in consolidating peace, stability and democracy across the continent. Enlargement policy also enhances the EU’s presence on the global stage.

    Article 49Treaty of Lisbon
    Any European State which respects the values referred to in Article 2 and is committed to promoting them may apply to become a member of the Union. The European Parliament and national Parliaments shall be notified of this application. The applicant State shall address its application to the Council, which shall act unanimously after consulting the Commission and after receiving the assent of the European Parliament, which shall act by an absolute majority of its component members. The conditions of admission and the adjustments to the Treaties on which the Union is founded, which such admission entails, shall be the subject of an agreement between the Member States and the applicant State. This agreement shall be submitted for ratification by all the contracting States in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements. The conditions of eligibility agreed upon by the European Council shall be taken into account.
    Getting to see why it's called the European Union?
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    For crying out loud - that is mean showing how silly it is. Why are you being so difficult. Please argue with my argument and don't try and make it something its clearly not. ALL OF US SHOULD WANT THE SAME THING - NAMELY SENSIBLE DISCUSSION. Why play around?

    This thread is about why countries are picked to be in the EU....

    Some people give nice legal documents , I'm saying its all a con. Its a white elitiest club. We should leave and form a multi-racial/ cultural free trade union with nations of any colour or creed from any where in the world.
    I'm arguing with the legitimacy of your train-of-thought to show you that even you discredit your own arguments... That's not picking a fight with you.

    This thread's title is "Why is Bulgaria in the EU". Not "Why isn't Jamaica/West Indies/Africa in the EU". And in fairness, there is a simple answer to both questions.

    The single market that forms such a core component of the EU is based on geographic proximity. As you raised, we do indeed trade with countries from further afield like the USA, Japan, and China. We even trade with the West Indies! But this doesn't mean we should, or even could enter a single market union with them. Britain is a member of the EU because this is the most beneficial option for us. It is difficult for countries in the West Indies or Africa to join Europe because ... well they're not in Europe.

    Nothing to do with the colour of their skin. And although distance isn't a main problem, it does create difficulties for a single market to operate efficiently.

    Admittedly, I'm all for working to encourage the development of African, West Indian, and frankly all the nations. But that does not and cannot equate to bringing them into the European Union.

    At the end of the day, Bulgaria is in the EU because it meets the criteria, is in Europe, and is reaping the rewards of that. But Bulgaria pays its dues to reap these. But to accuse the EU of rejecting countries based on race is ridiculous and absurd. Even these countries understand that geopolitics dictates they cannot join the EU ...
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    (Original post by Madeline_H95)
    Bulgaria is a poor country - TRUE
    Bulgaria receive more than it gives to the eu - TRUE
    Bulgaria is economically weak in the eu - TRUE

    What I said is undeniable facts. It's true. Bulgaria is in the eu for free cash.
    Take the socialist view that the EU is based upon. Bulgaria and all the other nations aren't in it for "free money" - any bloc like that is preposterous. Bulgaria is in the EU to utilise the assistance of powerful European countries to further its own development - WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT in future decades, when Bulgaria is more developed, it will repay what it took from the EU.

    We're working for the greater good for the entiretyof Europe to create a more-developed region to improve the quality-of-life for all. It's not a competition...
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    (Original post by redwhiteandbrit)
    Take the socialist view that the EU is based upon. Bulgaria and all the other nations aren't in it for "free money" - any bloc like that is preposterous. Bulgaria is in the EU to utilise the assistance of powerful European countries to further its own development - WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT in future decades, when Bulgaria is more developed, it will repay what it took from the EU.

    We're working for the greater good for the entiretyof Europe.
    That doesn't make an sense whatsoever. Bulgaria is piggy backing on richer eu countries for its own selfish pruposes. Bulgair should receive nothing. To say Bulgaria will repay the favour is rubbish. The eu will be all rich when bulgaria gets rich, bulgaria will have no countries to repay the help to. Bulgaria will never be in a position to repay help to UK, France and Germany.
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    (Original post by redwhiteandbrit)
    I'm arguing with the legitimacy of your train-of-thought to show you that even you discredit your own arguments... That's not picking a fight with you.

    This thread's title is "Why is Bulgaria in the EU". Not "Why isn't Jamaica/West Indies/Africa in the EU". And in fairness, there is a simple answer to both questions.

    The single market that forms such a core component of the EU is based on geographic proximity. As you raised, we do indeed trade with countries from further afield like the USA, Japan, and China. We even trade with the West Indies! But this doesn't mean we should, or even could enter a single market union with them. Britain is a member of the EU because this is the most beneficial option for us. It is difficult for countries in the West Indies or Africa to join Europe because ... well they're not in Europe.

    Nothing to do with the colour of their skin. And although distance isn't a main problem, it does create difficulties for a single market to operate efficiently.

    Admittedly, I'm all for working to encourage the development of African, West Indian, and frankly all the nations. But that does not and cannot equate to bringing them into the European Union.

    At the end of the day, Bulgaria is in the EU because it meets the criteria, is in Europe, and is reaping the rewards of that. But Bulgaria pays its dues to reap these. But to accuse the EU of rejecting countries based on race is ridiculous and absurd. Even these countries understand that geopolitics dictates they cannot join the EU ...
    Exactly. This has everything to do with ignorance and for some just lies, because the likes of Boris and Nigel are educated enough to know the trend for nation-states is continental integration into supranational organisations/states.

    The average person I grant has not been taught this at school or university, people are not aware of the slow but increasing integration of nation-states into larger continental unions. I've watched and read so many debates around the EU where people accuse it of being discriminatory because it is refuses to let non-European states join. Firstly this is just an absurd argument, they do not follow their logic and call for Pakistan and India to unite or USA and Canada.

    But nevertheless, the West Indies has it's own integration going on, called the Caribbean Community as does the Africa in the African Union and South America in the Union of South American Nations.

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    The EU is racist. It wants to create a European empire. It will end in devastation, just like Hitler's Germany did. The world has nukes now.
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    (Original post by Madeline_H95)
    That doesn't make an sense whatsoever. Bulgaria is piggy backing on richer eu countries for its own selfish pruposes. Bulgair should receive nothing. To say Bulgaria will repay the favour is rubbish. The eu will be all rich when bulgaria gets rich, bulgaria will have no countries to repay the help to. Bulgaria will never be in a position to repay help to UK, France and Germany.
    And the UK obviously obtains far less than we put in. Not to mention all the non-monetary benefits such as free-travel, safety, security, etc that the EU provides. Bulgaria actively repays the favour in the sense that we have an expanded market for our goods and services. And it's not all about wealth ...
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    (Original post by Madeline_H95)
    Bulgaria is a poor country - TRUE
    Bulgaria receive more than it gives to the eu - TRUE
    Bulgaria is economically weak in the eu - TRUE

    What I said is undeniable facts. It's true. Bulgaria is in the eu for free cash.
    Amongst other things. Is there anything wrong with that? Economic prosperity is an aim for all the countries. Its also approved by all the net contributors, so they see whats in it for them.
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    (Original post by Reformed2010)
    Exactly. This has everything to do with ignorance and for some just lies, because the likes of Boris and Nigel are educated enough to know the trend for nation-states is continental integration into supranational organisations/states.

    The average person I grant has not been taught this at school or university, people are not aware of the slow but increasing integration of nation-states into larger continental unions. I've watched and read so many debates around the EU where people accuse it of being discriminatory because it is refuses to let non-European states join. Firstly this is just an absurd argument, they do not follow their logic and call for Pakistan and India to unite or USA and Canada.

    But nevertheless, the West Indies has it's own integration going on, called the Caribbean Community as does the Africa in the African Union and South America in the Union of South American Nations.
    It makes sense to be in a bloc!
 
 
 
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