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    (Original post by Thomb)
    Well I agree except that Marxism advocates violence whereas I'm a pacifist and believe capitalism will destroy itself without the use of violence.
    What type of pacifist are you?

    I'm an absolute pacifist, what about you?
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    (Original post by Defraction)
    What type of pacifist are you?

    I'm an absolute pacifist, what about you?
    Just straight pacifist I've only ever had one fight and I've been subjected to violence all my life.
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    (Original post by Thomb)
    LoL Why?
    Because you have to be mentally ill to be pro-communism.
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    (Original post by thomb)
    ok so the majority of the working class do that. Why isn't equality possible?
    read animal farm

    communism will never work
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Because you have to be mentally ill to be pro-communism.
    ^ MHM
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Because you have to be mentally ill to be pro-communism.
    TBH you're probably right these days what with the far right taking up the vacuum left behind by socialist republics its a mad world.
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    (Original post by Thomb)
    Just straight pacifist I've only ever had one fight and I've been subjected to violence all my life.
    Pacifism is such a great ideology that actually works. Wait, did you win the fight, how long did it last?
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    (Original post by Thomb)
    TBH you're probably right these days what with the far right taking up the vacuum left behind by socialist republics its a mad world.
    The far right exists because governments think they can do things without the authority of the people. It is more or less the mantra of so called progressives institutions like the EU to say "we are smart, you are dumb, do what we tell you or else".
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    (Original post by Defraction)
    Pacifism is such a great ideology that actually works. Wait, did you win the fight, how long did it last?
    It was just something I got pushed into at school - compared to what happened after it was nothing.
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    It was just something I got pushed into at school - compared to what happened after it was nothing.
    I hope the person paid for their wrongdoings. Let's riot against the person actually, it shall be the start of a pacifist movement
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    I hope the person paid for their wrongdoings. Let's riot against the person actually, it shall be the start of a pacifist movement
    No we just got a strict telling off no one was hurt really.
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    (Original post by Thomb)
    No we just got a strict telling off no one was hurt really.
    Oh, that's fine! Verbal fights are better than physical ones anyways.

    This is from experience
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    This is true but what makes you think the people who were killed were innocent?
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    (Original post by Thomb)
    This is true but what makes you think the people who were killed were innocent?
    Communism (or leaders/organisations that claim to want Communism) have been responsible for the deaths of 100 million people in the 20th century. The USSR, China, Cuba, DPRK, North Vietnam, etc have all butchered people that don't believe in Communism & for that reason alone.

    "In introducing the Black Book, lead author Stephane Courtois, Director of Research at the Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (CNRS) in Paris, offers the following rough breakdown of the numbers of people that communism killed:
    USSR -- 20 million
    China -- 65 million
    Vietnam -- 1 million
    North Korea -- 2 million
    Cambodia -- 2 million
    Eastern Europe -- 1 million
    Latin America -- 150,000
    Africa -- 1.7 million
    Afghanistan -- 1.5 million
    Communist movements, parties not in power -- 10,000"

    http://www.thecommentator.com/articl...communism_kill


    The whole notion of Communism seems to go against human nature. Our survival mechanism believes in self preservation - water, food, shelter etc & naturally you want as much of that as you can. Yes humans can share but only in small groups where people on the whole know & trust each other. On a large scale Communism is a total disaster.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Only losers want communism.

    Unable to provide a living for yourself so you need men with guns to forcibly remove money from those who can produce in order to give it to those who won't.
    You have a false image of that times.

    Firstly, there was no competition between workers or in any work place. You would have a daily routine that you need to make in a factory. So, yes everybody earned equal sum of money but there was no strees. Although from economicall standpoint it was damaging it still fits more to human nature than the capitalists system where you constantly need to be better than the other.

    Welfare was good and having a secured job was a de facto human right in socialist system. You were economically secured from birth until death.

    Firing from a job was banned unless you were a criminal or political opponent of the communists (who made a small proportion of the demographic)

    Now think which system would you choose. One where you have a daily routine of 8 hours work and where you could do the rest of day what you wished or the current one where you have constantly compete for higher wages and be as possible as better than the other.
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    (Original post by Thomb)
    I'm glad you feel that way. What is your avatar all about?
    My favorite football club.
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    You have a false image of that times.

    Firstly, there was no competition between workers or in any work place. You would have a daily routine that you need to make in a factory. So, yes everybody earned equal sum of money but there was no strees. Although from economicall standpoint it was damaging it still fits more to human nature than the capitalists system where you constantly need to be better than the other.

    Welfare was good and having a secured job was a de facto human right in socialist system. You were economically secured from birth until death.

    Firing from a job was banned unless you were a criminal or political opponent of the communists (who made a small proportion of the demographic)

    Now think which system would you choose. One where you have a daily routine of 8 hours work and where you could do the rest of day what you wished or the current one where you have constantly compete for higher wages and be as possible as better than the other.
    Why don't you go to some Eastern European countries and ask people what they think of communism.

    Maybe it works for your nature by why assume that applies to everyone? I've worked in sales all my life and I love getting paid more for being better at my job rather than being paid simply to exist for 8 hours a day.

    Unless you are of the lowest common denominator in the job market, there is absolutely no reason to support such insanity. It has been tried and it has failed miserably.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Why don't you go to some Eastern European countries and ask people what they think of communism.

    Maybe it works for your nature by why assume that applies to everyone? I've worked in sales all my life and I love getting paid more for being better at my job rather than being paid simply to exist for 8 hours a day.

    Unless you are of the lowest common denominator in the job market, there is absolutely no reason to support such insanity. It has been tried and it has failed miserably.
    Well I live in Eastern Europe and from experiance every person that it is in his 50s and 60s, also person who have experiance from both systems said they would prefer the old system.

    It would apply to everybody because the old system required less stress and personal energy to invest. As said in capitalist system you need to charm your boss and be better than the other. In the old system it was not the case. You had a daily routine regardless of how a person worked; everybody was equal. Maybe if your parents worked in the communists system I would wished to know if they held the same opinion.

    There is one more point. There was no immigratiob and the system preversed monoculturalism.
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    Free market capitalism? No, thank you.

    Right wing authoritarianism? No, thank you.

    Right wing libertarianism? No, thank you.

    Extreme communism? No, thank you.

    Liberal democratic socialism? Yes, please.
 
 
 
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