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    FULLY OUT
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    45.95%
    Cameron IN (opt out of "ever increasing union")
    19
    25.68%
    FULLY IN
    21
    28.38%

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    a) No free movement=/= a closed border, hardly a complex concept but it does seem to be for so many young people.

    b)not federal=/= centralised. Last I checked the Scottish parliament existed, the Welsh Assembly existed, Stormont existed and power is being devolved to local governments; at the same time the EU is drawing powers away from national governments towards Brussels, centralisation by definition.

    c) you yourself declared it a construct of the 19th century.
    construct of 1700 to 1900 (eg people like Garibali and Bolivar but also bismarck - all 19th century, but can go back as far as 1700).


    UK Federalised? You're having a laugh!!! Ha Ha Ha....
    The USA is federalised - a LAW MAKING GOVERNMENT for on AVERAGE EVERY FOR SIX MILLION CITIZENS within the 320 million in the USA (average size of a US state is 6 million).

    Even in france its beginning to happen this year:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_France

    You are in denial.

    Vote YES to the EU if you want a less centralised UK.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    construct of 1700 to 1900 (eg people like Garibali and Bolivar but also bismarck - all 19th century, but can go back as far as 1700).


    UK Federalised? You're having a laugh!!! Ha Ha Ha....
    The USA is federalised - a LAW MAKING GOVERNMENT for on AVERAGE EVERY FOR SIX MILLION CITIZENS within the 320 million in the USA (average size of a US state is 6 million).

    Even in france its beginning to happen this year:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_France

    You are in denial.

    Vote YES to the EU if you want a less centralised UK.
    I think you're confused if you think at any point I said the UK is federalised.

    Care to tell me what the devolved assemblies are if not a manifestation of power being decentralised? Or how about increasing power for councils? A state does not have to be a federal union to devolve powers, and a [pseudo] federal union can centralise power.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I think you're confused if you think at any point I said the UK is federalised.

    Care to tell me what the devolved assemblies are if not a manifestation of power being decentralised? Or how about increasing power for councils? A state does not have to be a federal union to devolve powers, and a [pseudo] federal union can centralise power.

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    Playing at the edges.
 
 
 
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