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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    So the bank of England is which - EU or biased media? Or could we perhaps entertain the other option: that leaving the EU would actually be a bad move and the experts are right when they warn of sterling collapsing (and they're not talking about the england winger).
    The EU has compromised/is controlling the Bank of England. Its all BS and your falling for it.
    They were doing similar stuff in Denmark but nothing happened.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Well I'm a soft vote in, I never heard of this.
    All it I did was apply the logic used to repudiate the £350m to the tax system, with salary it's harder but taking the 40% taxes, average bills and utilities we get it being about £14k-food costs if bills and rent are shared between two people. The point is that with taxes to argue they're too high the gross is used, when talking about your salary you use the gross figure because then you're earning more, but when it comes to the £350m line suddenly the jump to net is made because for remain that is a more convenient figure.
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    The fact of the matter is, that the UK's contributions to the EU are less than 0.5% of its GDP yet if we leave, the economic hit taken by the GDP is likely to be larger than that.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    All it I did was apply the logic used to repudiate the £350m to the tax system, with salary it's harder but taking the 40% taxes, average bills and utilities we get it being about £14k-food costs if bills and rent are shared between two people. The point is that with taxes to argue they're too high the gross is used, when talking about your salary you use the gross figure because then you're earning more, but when it comes to the £350m line suddenly the jump to net is made because for remain that is a more convenient figure.
    Oh well, I don't get why media never says any of this (BBC News) thx for info might vote leave instead...
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    The EU has compromised/is controlling the Bank of England. Its all BS and your falling for it.
    They were doing similar stuff in Denmark but nothing happened.
    So basically independent bodies and experts are shills if they don't agree with you. Solid argument.

    As for nothing happening, we've already seen £100bn wiped off the FTSE100 and devaluation of the pound so I think we can safely dismiss that assertion: the economy is being harmed just by the potential of leaving the EU and the general view from economists is that actually leaving will do even more harm. So leaving doesn't make sense from an economical point of view.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    All it I did was apply the logic used to repudiate the £350m to the tax system, with salary it's harder but taking the 40% taxes, average bills and utilities we get it being about £14k-food costs if bills and rent are shared between two people. The point is that with taxes to argue they're too high the gross is used, when talking about your salary you use the gross figure because then you're earning more, but when it comes to the £350m line suddenly the jump to net is made because for remain that is a more convenient figure.
    Well no, the net is more appropriate when leave are talking about what they could spend the money on instead. Claiming we could save enough to build a new hospital every week is lying, because it's pretending that the £350m is net rather than gross, and that we'd get all of that back as spare money, rather than the reality of us getting a fraction of that back once things like the continuation of agricultural support is factored in. If you want to say we pay £350m to the EU ever week, that's perfectly valid; it's the claims that leave are actually making: that we'd have £350m more to spend on public services etc. that is deceitful.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Well no, the net is more appropriate when leave are talking about what they could spend the money on instead. Claiming we could save enough to build a new hospital every week is lying, because it's pretending that the £350m is net rather than gross, and that we'd get all of that back as spare money, rather than the reality of us getting a fraction of that back once things like the continuation of agricultural support is factored in. If you want to say we pay £350m to the EU ever week, that's perfectly valid; it's the claims that leave are actually making: that we'd have £350m more to spend on public services etc. that is deceitful.
    Depends how big you want the hospital to be. doing a bit of research we find there to be about 2200 hospitals in the UK and about 600 beds per hospital. We see here a 210 bed hospital costing £90m including £15m infrastructure, so £75m for a 210 bed hospital. Triple this for the average hospital and we get even the net is only very slightly over 1 week's net contribution.
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    But if you also consider the promises Leave have made to mainatain subsidies to farming, universities and research, including promises to spend more on NHS as well as other things; then the net figure left (even if you discount market access values), then I suggest Leave's promises don't add up as you suggest.

    Taken alongside the likelyhood of the EU legislating to ensure all Euro transactions in financial services in the future, in light of a brexit, are only allowed through Euro based countries, we are likely to see 30% plus of all such services leaving London, we only need to see a dip of 0.6% drop in national income to wipe out all 'savings' and not one promise will be possible.
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    (Original post by Stressed dad)
    But if you also consider the promises Leave have made to mainatain subsidies to farming, universities and research, including promises to spend more on NHS as well as other things; then the net figure left (even if you discount market access values), then I suggest Leave's promises don't add up as you suggest.

    Taken alongside the likelyhood of the EU legislating to ensure all Euro transactions in financial services in the future, in light of a brexit, are only allowed through Euro based countries, we are likely to see 30% plus of all such services leaving London, we only need to see a dip of 0.6% drop in national income to wipe out all 'savings' and not one promise will be possible.
    You do realise that the ratio between GDP and taxation is not 1:1, right?

    Oh, and if we want to throw in the "we won't get a deal with the EU, there will be tariffs" people also need to factor in the tariffs we receive (another £10bn, doubling the figure)
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    Britain a 'world power'? Suffering of delusion much? You lot are the laughing stock of Europe these days. Please do f--- off, you are not true Europeans.

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    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    Britain a 'world power'? Suffering of delusion much? You lot are the laughing stock of Europe these days. Please do f--- off, you are not true Europeans.

    Sincerely,
    A German
    Germany is the laughing stock, your own ministers is celebrating that Germans will be a minority in German cities soon.
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    (Original post by TitanicTeutonicPhil)
    Britain a 'world power'? Suffering of delusion much? You lot are the laughing stock of Europe these days. Please do f--- off, you are not true Europeans.

    Sincerely,
    A German
    Two world wars and one world cup?

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Two world wars and one world cup?
    Virtually every socio-economic indicator and every major football tournament since?
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Germany is the laughing stock, your own ministers is celebrating that Germans will be a minority in German cities soon.
    Walk the streets of London. Count the number of white British vs. people of color and compare it with street scenes in any German cities. Notice something? Wait - have you actually ever left your island?
 
 
 
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