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Vote of No Confidence in the Government watch

  • View Poll Results: This House has no confidence in the Government.
    As many are of the opinion, Aye
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    On the contrary, No
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    Abstain
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Yeh, why?
    So the budget oughtn't cover monetary policy. The budget is a fiscal document.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    So the budget oughtn't cover monetary policy. The budget is a fiscal document.
    Yeh but canon. If we left everything to the free market this game would be very boring.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Yeh, why?
    That means that fiscal policy is the primary tool that a government uses. The other form of economic policy is monetary policy which is largely devolved to the Bank of England.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Yeh but canon. If we left everything to the free market this game would be very boring.
    And any budget which involves the state messing with monetary policy should be rejected as a ****ing terrible idea.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    That means that fiscal policy is the primary tool that a government uses. The other form of economic policy is monetary policy which is largely devolved to the Bank of England.
    I made my point above. Looking into monetary policy can be a mind****, but it is rather fun.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    And any budget which involves the state messing with monetary policy should be rejected as a ****ing terrible idea.
    How so? You're telling me that the socialists wouldn't tamper with monetary policy if given the opportunity? How about the greens? They could bring us back to a common barter system. I have 2 chickens, can I swap them for a Rolex?
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    I made my point above. Looking into monetary policy can be a mind****, but it is rather fun.
    So you're saying the last government didn't have economic policy because our budget did exactly what a real budget should do? As opposed to your government which does because you say so?

    Please tell me you realise how laughable your argument sounds.


    Tbh I'd be more likely to vote against the MoNC if government MPs stopped defending themselves. :laugh:
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    How so? You're telling me that the socialists wouldn't tamper with monetary policy if given the opportunity? How about the greens? They could bring us back to a common barter system. I have 2 chickens, can I swap them for a Rolex?
    The only thing I'd consider would be prescribing the format of quantitative easing (which would affect little in terms of substantive MP), but generally, no. MP is a much less political topic and I accept I have way too little understanding of economics (despite, I suspect, understanding more than most of the House) to coherently change it, especially with the amount of research I'd have time to do.

    Further, on your canon point: monetary policy cannot be prescribed in the Budget without legislation or an Amendment permitting that to be the case. Canon does not extend to permit delegated legislation beyond the existing remit of the legislator - that must be done through primary legislation.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    1. After how many months and successive terms in power? You also fail to consider other forms of activity.

    2. I'm not claiming there's no hypocrisy in what I'm saying. :dontknow: It's you who refuses to accept that you were in a similar position not long ago, yet here you are, using the same arguments that you refused before.
    Oh, I accept that we were in a similar position. I just question why you don't apply the same rigorous standards you applied to us to yourselves. At the end of the day, the onus of proof has been on you and your government. When we were in a similar position, you took the moral high ground, you called us out - perhaps rightly - on our shortcomings - and you openly claimed that you could do better. You have been given a chance to do so and, exams notwithstanding because after all you claimed to be able to balance MHoC and offline stuff, you have proven that not only can you not do better, you can't help but do worse. Well, I'm not one to tell you what to do, but you helpfully provided your own opinion on what you should do in situations like this - 'if you can't be productive enough, resign.'
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    The only thing I'd consider would be prescribing the format of quantitative easing (which would affect little in terms of substantive MP), but generally, no. MP is a much less political topic and I accept I have way too little understanding of economics (despite, I suspect, understanding more than most of the House) to coherently change it, especially with the amount of research I'd have time to do.

    Further, on your canon point: monetary policy cannot be prescribed in the Budget without legislation or an Amendment permitting that to be the case. Canon does not extend to permit delegated legislation beyond the existing remit of the legislator - that must be done through primary legislation.
    I was under the impression that the budget required bills and SoIs for it to be enacted anyway. For example, included in the budget could be the reduction of income tax, however that reduction would need a bill in order for it to be enacted anyway afaik.

    I feel like people take this game a bit too seriously, perhaps maybe that's because I don't take it seriously enough, so I try to go a bit "out there" whenever I can. You can take the THAWTS (transverse horizontal axis water turbines) as an example of that, as well as the voluntary national service scheme that I'm working on at the moment. I've too looked into MP and I too can safely say that it baffles me to pieces, but while running the country why not push the boat out a little?
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Oh, I accept that we were in a similar position. I just question why you don't apply the same rigorous standards you applied to us to yourselves. At the end of the day, the onus of proof has been on you and your government. When we were in a similar position, you took the moral high ground, you called us out - perhaps rightly - on our shortcomings - and you openly claimed that you could do better. You have been given a chance to do so and, exams notwithstanding because after all you claimed to be able to balance MHoC and offline stuff, you have proven that not only can you not do better, you can't help but do worse. Well, I'm not one to tell you what to do, but you helpfully provided your own opinion on what you should do in situations like this - 'if you can't be productive enough, resign.'
    Which is exactly what we're doing—wondering about your rigorous standards and their application to yourselves.

    Moreover, you're still saying ‘perhaps’ as if your failures were just a matter of opinion whereas ours are objective and have to be punished. The first thing I did was to acknowledge that we could have done a lot better and apologised for our failure to do so, but unfortunately the time slipped by due to RL stuff, which you yourself said should take precedence.

    Now we're just moving in circles but I still maintain that we have the moral high ground for the ability to accept our shortcomings and immediately spring into action. Once again, I regret the deficiency in bill production and shall do as much as I can to make amends.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Though initially skeptical I'm disappointed in just how unrepentant the government seems to be - as if exams is suddenly an iron clad excuse for a loss of focus. Perhaps the government should let their deputy government fill in for them for a while. :rolleyes:
    well we've admitted things aren't ideal but anything more than that is an admittance that this ludicrous vonc is valid; it isn't an in my experience voncs have only been used in FAR more dire situations in the house.

    We have tons of planning and stuff ready just waiting for us to ensure we don't live on bennies for the rest of our lives.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    Even though it gave an entirely reasonable response to every point?

    The main "argument" here is that there hasn't been enough bills. There are two points here. Firstly, we haven';t just spammed ill conceived lazy bills like some parties we could mention. We actually think about issues and take our time when coming up with legislation.

    Secondly, the fact that it's exam time and people have real lives that are literally on the line during this period. People's happiness for the rest of their lives depends on them not going on tsr as much. That's an entirely reasonable explanation for a shortage of legislation.

    On this side of the house we're actually intelligent enough to get to university and hopefully acquire jobs. TSR is not the number one priority in our lives. If you won't study at least do "young and stupid" properly and get a girlfriend ffs. You're life does not have to consist of your tsr tab and your porn tab
    I think all the Oxbridge members are on this side of the House...
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    I think all the Oxbridge members are on this side of the House...
    Just shows how overrated it is.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    I think all the Oxbridge members are on this side of the House...
    masters degrees from oxbridge really don't count. You're basically just paying premium for a name.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    masters degrees from oxbridge really don't count. You're basically just paying premium for a name.
    Is that why everyone upgrades their BA to an MA, and people still go for the integrated masters?

    Or why master's graduates at Oxbridge have a much higher employment rate? Or that the most popular courses are actually master's degrees?

    Or is that why Rhodes scholars, despite mostly doing only master's degrees, are very well respected?

    Always a delight to see high schoolers on TSR showing their ignorance. You can claim what you want, but the world outside TSR sees a master's degree as a higher, more advanced qualification.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Just shows how overrated it is.
    He was talking about going to university and getting a job. Oxbridge have the highest admission requirements and highest graduate outcomes behind Imperial.

    That dig was a complete fail.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)

    Or is that why Rhodes scholars, despite mostly doing only master's degrees, are very well respected?
    With Rhodes scholars saying Rhodes must fall

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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Is that why everyone upgrades their BA to an MA, and people still go for the integrated masters?

    Or why master's graduates at Oxbridge have a much higher employment rate? Or that the most popular courses are actually master's degrees?

    Or is that why Rhodes scholars, despite mostly doing only master's degrees, are very well respected?

    Always a delight to see high schoolers on TSR showing their ignorance. You can claim what you want, but the world outside TSR sees a master's degree as a higher, more advanced qualification.
    They're obviously good but if you have a first you can get in, it's not as impressive as getting into a bachelors.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    They're obviously good but if you have a first you can get in, it's not as impressive as getting into a bachelors.
    I've heard it's considerably more competitive at post-grad. For one thing there are more applicants. I'd imagine that practically everyone applying will have a first lol
 
 
 
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