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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    And what has that got to do with the facts and the video that I have posted about the Bank of England? Nothing.
    Nice dodge 10/10
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    Maybe, but is it necessary? We've seen how expensive those buildings are which rarely get used, and we've seen the empty lorries.
    But the fact is this. They charge us £300 million a year, put restrictions on us, control our taxes, immigration, put strain on us, and we dont develop as we would like to. The leaders of EU are also private.
    This reason and all of the many other reasons that Ive posted on TSR are enough to encourage a person to Vote Leave.
    "They charge us £300 million a year, put restrictions on us, control our taxes, immigration, put strain on us, and we dont develop as we would like to. The leaders of EU are also private."

    Eh? You've said they charge us £280 million a week in a previous post.

    The fact of the matter is actually this. Most of Vote Leave's statements are deeply flawed, and our country won't be magically fixed of all problems we encounter from the EU as soon as we leave, if we do. I haven't seen a single proposal of what we'll do if we leave from Johnson, Farage, or any other high up Brexit campaigners. The uncertainty of our economy and future as a country if we leave the EU is one of many good reasons to stay.
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    "They charge us £300 million a year, put restrictions on us, control our taxes, immigration, put strain on us, and we dont develop as we would like to. The leaders of EU are also private."

    Eh? You've said they charge us £280 million a week in a previous post.

    The fact of the matter is actually this. Most of Vote Leave's statements are deeply flawed, and our country won't be magically fixed of all problems we encounter from the EU as soon as we leave, if we do. I haven't seen a single proposal of what we'll do if we leave from Johnson, Farage, or any other high up Brexit campaigners. The uncertainty of our economy and future as a country if we leave the EU is one of many good reasons to stay.
    I dont exactly know how much but its around £300 million maybe more or less.
    Stop trying to make me look bad. I might make a few very minor mistakes, but that does not mean Im wrong.

    Thats false. Vote Leave campaign set out post-Brexit plans a few days ago.
    Proof:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36534802

    Your wrong about our country not being magically fixed after leaving. I have put facts and proof on this thread on why we will be better off leaving.
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    Trying to convince some family members to vote out is such hard work, it's like they believe everything the newspapers, the bankers and the elites tells them
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    (Original post by Jee1)
    Trying to convince some family members to vote out is such hard work, it's like they believe everything the newspapers, the bankers and the elites tells them
    Absolutely mate. Try your best.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    I dont exactly know how much but its around £300 million maybe more or less. Stop whinging.

    Thats false. Vote Leave campaign set out post-Brexit plans a few days ago.
    Proof:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36534802

    Stop making me look bad. I might make a few very minor mistakes, but that does not mean Im wrong. Your wrong about our country not being magically fixed after leaving. I have put facts and proof on this thread on why we will be better off leaving.
    OK.

    Firstly: "It's around £300 million maybe more or less". £300 million per what? Week or year? You haven't confirmed this. There is a big difference, it's not a "minor mistake". I'm not whinging, you've left a massive continuity error within your debate.

    Secondly: That Post-Brexit plan still has not delivered on what will happen to our economy. There is a reason 88% of world economists think we should stay - it puts a massive risk to us to leave a union in which we get a lot of our trade from. The leader of the USA, a country many Brexiters have said will be a main trading partner with us if we leave, has said how the UK will be at the back of the queue for trading. He also said how it could be 10 years until we strike a trading deal. That's incredibly worrying.

    Thirdly: Stop making you look bad? How the hell am I making you look bad? Is it because your arguments are fallacious?
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    (Original post by george_c00per)
    OK.

    Firstly: "It's around £300 million maybe more or less". £300 million per what? Week or year? You haven't confirmed this. There is a big difference, it's not a "minor mistake". I'm not whinging, you've left a massive continuity error within your debate.

    Secondly: That Post-Brexit plan still has not delivered on what will happen to our economy. There is a reason 88% of world economists think we should stay - it puts a massive risk to us to leave a union in which we get a lot of our trade from. The leader of the USA, a country many Brexiters have said will be a main trading partner with us if we leave, has said how the UK will be at the back of the queue for trading. He also said how it could be 10 years until we strike a trading deal. That's incredibly worrying.

    Thirdly: Stop making you look bad? How the hell am I making you look bad? Is it because your arguments are fallacious?
    Firstly: £300+ million sent to the EU per week.

    Secondly:I have respect for USA and what they do butI slightly dont trust USA. EU is a massive organisation with a lot of power and a lot of money. They have the power to compromise anyone.

    The Post-Brexit plan has delivered this:
    "After we vote Leave, the public need to see that there is immediate action to take back control from the EU," Leave campaigner and Leader of the Commons Chris Grayling said."We will need a carefully managed negotiation process and some major legislative changes before 2020, including taking real steps to limit immigration, to abolish VAT on fuel and tampons, and to end the situation where an international court can tell us who we can and cannot deport."Vote Leave said over subsequent sessions of Parliament it wanted to introduce:
    • Finance Bill - This would abolish the 5% rate of VAT on household energy bills by amending the Value Added Tax Act 1994. It would be paid for by savings from the UK's contributions to the EU budget, Vote Leave said
    • National Health Service (Funding Target) Bill - The NHS would receive a £100m per week real-terms cash "transfusion", to be paid for by savings from leaving the EU
    • Asylum and Immigration Control Bill - "To end the automatic right of all EU citizens to enter the UK"
    • Free Trade Bill - The UK leaves the EU's "common commercial policy" to "restore the UK government's power to control its own trade policy"
    • European Communities Act 1972 (Repeal) Bill - The European Communities Act 1972, "the legal basis for the supremacy of EU law in the UK", will be repealed. "The EU Treaties will cease to form part of UK law and the European Court's jurisdiction over the UK will end," said Vote Leave.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    Firstly: £300+ million sent to the EU per week.

    Secondly:I have respect for USA and what they do butI slightly dont trust USA. EU is a massive organisation with a lot of power and a lot of money. They have the power to compromise anyone.

    The Post-Brexit plan has delivered this:
    "After we vote Leave, the public need to see that there is immediate action to take back control from the EU," Leave campaigner and Leader of the Commons Chris Grayling said."We will need a carefully managed negotiation process and some major legislative changes before 2020, including taking real steps to limit immigration, to abolish VAT on fuel and tampons, and to end the situation where an international court can tell us who we can and cannot deport."Vote Leave said over subsequent sessions of Parliament it wanted to introduce:
    • Finance Bill - This would abolish the 5% rate of VAT on household energy bills by amending the Value Added Tax Act 1994. It would be paid for by savings from the UK's contributions to the EU budget, Vote Leave said
    • National Health Service (Funding Target) Bill - The NHS would receive a £100m per week real-terms cash "transfusion", to be paid for by savings from leaving the EU
    • Asylum and Immigration Control Bill - "To end the automatic right of all EU citizens to enter the UK"
    • Free Trade Bill - The UK leaves the EU's "common commercial policy" to "restore the UK government's power to control its own trade policy"
    • European Communities Act 1972 (Repeal) Bill - The European Communities Act 1972, "the legal basis for the supremacy of EU law in the UK", will be repealed. "The EU Treaties will cease to form part of UK law and the European Court's jurisdiction over the UK will end," said Vote Leave.
    Glad we got the first point sorted, albeit still an inaccurate representation of how much we give to the EU but I digress..

    If the EU is able to compromise with anyone, then why do you want to leave? You also may not want to trust the USA, but they bring in a hell of a lot of money to the economy of the UK, something we risk losing if we leave. Why do you not trust them, by the way?
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    (Original post by george_c00per)
    Glad we got the first point sorted, albeit still an inaccurate representation of how much we give to the EU but I digress..

    If the EU is able to compromise with anyone, then why do you want to leave? You also may not want to trust the USA, but they bring in a hell of a lot of money to the economy of the UK, something we risk losing if we leave. Why do you not trust them, by the way?
    I trust USA, but maybe not Obama. But Im pretty sure that UK will be able to make new trade deals, just as the woman said in the video, maybe with USA too as things do change. Im pretty sure we'll be able to come up with a trade agreement with USA. The major issue is the EU's leaders, its laws, its restrictions, its agenda, trade restrictions, its high membership fee, it's rules and its heavy strain on our economy.
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    (Original post by drogon)
    blah blah blah load of rubbish from a bunch of old tossers. Sorry mate but i'll leave it to the experts
    Are you losing your nerve?
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    Lady in the video says:
    "Bank of England's remit is financial stability, and they have independance and mandotary policy settings, but NOT in any other area. So the Bank of England is stepping out with a partial view that is unprovable, and is actually very dangerous both for financial stability and for their credibility (honesty).
    ..The Bank of England in the past, has talked about the risks of remaining, the risks of cuts to public services, the downward pressure of wages, the risks from the Greek problems in the Eurozone, and yet none of that came out this time. It was just 'what investers might do, and what households might do, not in his remit....."



    Britain already conducts more trade outside the EU than any other member state, and the EU takes an ever-shrinking share of our exports, down from about 55% in 2002 to less than 45% last year. This trend is set to continue, underlining that our greatest opportunity for future prosperity lies in the global economy.

    Australia, an economy half our size, has agreements in place with China, the United States, Japan and a host of smaller countries. It is on the brink of signing with India.
    If we leave, we would regain the freedom to forge deals while continuing to trade freely with the EU.The Remain campaign would have us believe the EU would impose tariff barriers in retribution, but the truth is we import nearly £70bn more from the continent than we sell there, so it would be an absurd act of economic self-harm for the EU to start a trade war with Britain.The clearest risk is the prospect of remaining in the EU, locked to a doomed Eurozone. That is not a fanciful forecast, but an assessment of what is already happening, as well as the Union’s published plans for its future.
    Bank of England Mark Carney has been spewing rubbish ever since he got the job. One of the first thing's he started doing was expanding the balance sheets of the QE program and when the call comes he will set the printing presses to full throttle.

    Mark Carney is part of the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

    1. Federal Reserve.
    2. Bank of Japan.
    3. European Central Bank.
    4. Bank of England.

    However majority of the money printing is done by retail banks: Barclays & HSBC etc. Ask yourself where has this house building money came from for Help to Buy? 40% for inside London and 20% for outside London?

    Its QE money!!!!!

    George Osborne has became the Al Capone of the Sub-Prime Loan.

    In case you don't know it was the Sub Prime Loan crisis which caused the 2007 recession!!!

    And now the Bank of England is in support for the Remain campaign and you lot are all surprised, LMAO! The joke is on you lot. You are clueless.

    Tories have sold the electorate miracle water by doing QE for the wealthy ...... but no one cares about the poor because they aren't getting a QE bail out. No the QE bail out is going to the gullible middle classes.

    Mega Facepalm!

    So Of course the Bank of England is going to back to remain campaign because they need to collectively print more money with all the other central banks to keep zombie corporations and zombie banks operational because the moment the printing stops is the moment the whole western financial system goes into stagnation.

    And all this talk about interest rate rises.

    They can't raise rates!!!

    Janet Yellen tried this in Dec 2015 and the stock market plunged and now she is bluffing so hard.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    I trust USA, but maybe not Obama. But Im pretty sure that UK will be able to make new trade deals, just as the woman said in the video, maybe with USA too as things do change. Im pretty sure we'll be able to come up with a trade agreement with USA. The major issue is the EU's leaders, its laws, its restrictions, its agenda, trade restrictions, its high membership fee, it's rules and its heavy strain on our economy.
    If Britain leaves the EU it effects the amount of money Britains Banks and the European Central Bank can print though Quantitative Easing. This money is supporting Zombie Banks and Zombie Corporations.

    A lot of it is also buying up chunks of US Treasury Bonds.

    So .................

    Doesn't matter which president the US has. EU nations must buy their debt else the USA will go into hyper inflation. Its the whole reason Iraq & Libya where invaded. They where going to start using Gold Dinar for oil trading rather than USD.
    If they dumped the USD it would cause inflation in the USA.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Bank of England Mark Carney has been spewing rubbish ever since he got the job. One of the first thing's he started doing was expanding the balance sheets of the QE program and when the call comes he will set the printing presses to full throttle.

    Mark Carney is part of the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

    1. Federal Reserve.
    2. Bank of Japan.
    3. European Central Bank.
    4. Bank of England.

    However majority of the money printing is done by retail banks: Barclays & HSBC etc. Ask yourself where has this house building money came from for Help to Buy? 40% for inside London and 20% for outside London?

    Its QE money!!!!!

    George Osborne has became the Al Capone of the Sub-Prime Loan.

    In case you don't know it was the Sub Prime Loan crisis which caused the 2007 recession!!!

    And now the Bank of England is in support for the Remain campaign and you lot are all surprised, LMAO! The joke is on you lot. You are clueless.

    Tories have sold the electorate miracle water by doing QE for the wealthy ...... but no one cares about the poor because they aren't getting a QE bail out. No the QE bail out is going to the gullible middle classes.

    Mega Facepalm!

    So Of course the Bank of England is going to back to remain campaign because they need to collectively print more money with all the other central banks to keep zombie corporations and zombie banks operational because the moment the printing stops is the moment the whole western financial system goes into stagnation.

    And all this talk about interest rate rises.

    They can't raise rates!!!

    Janet Yellen tried this in Dec 2015 and the stock market plunged and now she is bluffing so hard.
    We stopped QE injections in 2012.

    It's wasn't ideal but much better than total economic collapse and another Great Depression which we were faced with at the time
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    We stopped QE injections in 2012.

    It's wasn't ideal but much better than total economic collapse and another Great Depression which we were faced with at the time
    We never stopped QE injections. They simply re-routed by Government promising to guarantee home ownership loans.
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    Read today that Switzerland, a very wealthy, successful country,who applied to join the EU back in 1992 has withdrawn its application for EU membership.
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    (Original post by drogon)
    blah blah blah load of rubbish from a bunch of old tossers. Sorry mate but i'll leave it to the experts
    How do you know we're not the experts?

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    (Original post by Naveed-7)

    The Post-Brexit plan has delivered this:
    "After we vote Leave, the public need to see that there is immediate action to take back control from the EU," Leave campaigner and Leader of the Commons Chris Grayling said."We will need a carefully managed negotiation process and some major legislative changes before 2020, including taking real steps to limit immigration, to abolish VAT on fuel and tampons, and to end the situation where an international court can tell us who we can and cannot deport."Vote Leave said over subsequent sessions of Parliament it wanted to introduce:
    • Finance Bill - This would abolish the 5% rate of VAT on household energy bills by amending the Value Added Tax Act 1994. It would be paid for by savings from the UK's contributions to the EU budget, Vote Leave said
    • National Health Service (Funding Target) Bill - The NHS would receive a £100m per week real-terms cash "transfusion", to be paid for by savings from leaving the EU
    • Asylum and Immigration Control Bill - "To end the automatic right of all EU citizens to enter the UK"
    • Free Trade Bill - The UK leaves the EU's "common commercial policy" to "restore the UK government's power to control its own trade policy"
    • European Communities Act 1972 (Repeal) Bill - The European Communities Act 1972, "the legal basis for the supremacy of EU law in the UK", will be repealed. "The EU Treaties will cease to form part of UK law and the European Court's jurisdiction over the UK will end," said Vote Leave.
    This is a complete non-starter.

    The EU is not going going to allow us a unilateral rolling Brexit over 4 years where we pull out of the bits we dislike immediately but keep the bits we are not too bothered about or where we don't yet have the systems to go it alone.

    If we try that, the other 27 members will chuck us out straight away. It is pointless saying the Treaties don't allow that. The ECJ will back such a decision as Realpolitik.

    There are only two ways out.

    1 We give 2 years notice under Article 50 and insofar as we haven't negotiated anything different within 2 years we leave automatically at the end.

    2 We do not give notice and try and negotiate an exit plan (which may include a rolling withdrawal) but we are not out of anything until a deal is struck.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    This is a complete non-starter.

    The EU is not going going to allow us a unilateral rolling Brexit over 4 years where we pull out of the bits we dislike immediately but keep the bits we are not too bothered about or where we don't yet have the systems to go it alone.

    If we try that, the other 27 members will chuck us out straight away. It is pointless saying the Treaties don't allow that. The ECJ will back such a decision as Realpolitik.

    There are only two ways out.

    1 We give 2 years notice under Article 50 and insofar as we haven't negotiated anything different within 2 years we leave automatically at the end.

    2 We do not give notice and try and negotiate an exit plan (which may include a rolling withdrawal) but we are not out of anything until a deal is struck.
    And yet you ignore the facts and evidence that Ive put on the beginning of this thread which proves we can survive without the EU.
    Your arrogant.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    And yet you ignore the facts and evidence that Ive put on the beginning of this thread which proves we can survive without the EU.
    Your arrogant.
    Whether or not we can survive outside the EU has nothing whatsoever to do with the process for getting out of the EU.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    Whether or not we can survive outside the EU has nothing whatsoever to do with the process for getting out of the EU.
    Nice dodge. 10/10.

    Leaving the EU is about taking back control of our democracy, our laws, our borders and being able to have the freedom of making decisions for ourselves.

    And yes, survival does have something to do with getting out of the EU. Some remain supporters have said we cant survive, but I proved them wrong.

    We can do this, Vote Leave on Thursday everyone. Lets unite. Lets make a change. Lets build new relationships with other countries. It is all possible.
    Stop letting the media, the biased EU funded media, the corrupt politicians and the EU funded experts scare and convince us to stay.
    Vote Leave for our freedom.
 
 
 
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