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    (Original post by RoyalMarine)
    are you sure? The Queen has only to lose with remaining in the EU. If Greek politicians made voters accept and support the sell of their loved isles the British ones could do it about the monarchy.
    Even as a proud monarchist, if the British people decide someday to remove the monarchy democratically, that's all that matters to me.
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    (Original post by RoyalMarine)
    are you sure? The Queen has only to lose with remaining in the EU. If Greek politicians made voters accept and support the sell of their loved isles the British ones could do it about the monarchy.
    HRH Prince Philip, you know the one who was born as Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark...
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    (Original post by gladders)
    The Queen has no opinion, and those attempting to ascribe her one are endangering the monarchy.

    Even if we did know, so bloody what. I'm notorious here as a proud monarchist. I'm still not going to be so thick as to decide my voted based on what the Queen says.
    Like when Michael Gove tried to claim she supported leaving, when she said no such thing. These slimy cretins will do anything to manipulate the public.
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    (Original post by gladders)
    Even as a proud monarchist, if the British people decide someday to remove the monarchy democratically, that's all that matters to me.
    I think it's good at times to have a ceremonial leader who's apolitical.

    Besides look at the turnout for royal events, she ain't getting kicked out any time soon.
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    (Original post by AnnieGakusei)
    Because it's a step in the right direction. Hopefully it'll shake up UK politics a little and galvanise the public into action - if we truly care about democracy we'll then be able to lobby for proportional representation / a fairer voting system.
    Undo 40 years of progress to "shake up politics"? Just like what people seem to be doing with Trump. It's ludicrous, and it's funny that you think this will somehow get the public to do anything. People don't care until they're fed a narrative by the tabloids. They need something to get them smacking their chests and shouting catchy phrases like "TAKE BACK CONTROL".
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    (Original post by gladders)
    The Queen has no opinion, and those attempting to ascribe her one are endangering the monarchy.

    Even if we did know, so bloody what. I'm notorious here as a proud monarchist. I'm still not going to be so thick as to decide my voted based on what the Queen says.
    What is the most extreme thing you would do for your Queen, 'proud monarchist'? Would you not die for her? Why is voting for her not the same?

    (Original post by the bear)
    Her Majesty comes from a successul family of immigrants; Her Partner is also an immigrant. I am sure that They would vote Remain.
    I know some Germans who want Britain to vote Leave
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    (Original post by AnnieGakusei)
    True. I really can't imagine Boris as the PM though... it doesn't mean he won't become PM, but he doesn't strike me as country-leader material.
    He's got the support of the Tory membership base, he didn't u-turn his stance on the EU by coincidence.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    What is the most extreme thing you would do for your Queen, 'proud monarchist'? Would you not die for her? Why is voting for her not the same?
    What on earth are you on about? Are you suggesting that if the public voted for a republic, I should take up arms and defy the public will?
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    (Original post by gladders)
    What on earth are you on about? Are you suggesting that if the public voted for a republic, I should take up arms and defy the public will?
    If we were to fight a war, would you not think it were your duty to risk your life for our beloved Queen? And if you should die, you would be dying for your Queen, would you not? "For Queen/King and Country" has been the rallying cry of our great infantry for many hundreds of years, and I do not wish this to change.

    Perhaps indeed a true monarchist should take up arms against such a peasant revolt as you describe, but I was not referring to such an awful event.
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    The queen is impartial in all political matters
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    If we were to fight a war, would you not think it were your duty to risk your life for our beloved Queen? And if you should die, you would be dying for your Queen, would you not? "For Queen/King and Country" has been the rallying cry of our great infantry for many hundreds of years, and I do not wish this to change.

    Perhaps indeed a true monarchist should take up arms against such a peasant revolt as you describe, but I was not referring to such an awful event.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
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    (Original post by RoyalMarine)
    The EU will have more and more powers until it becomes a superstate. The USE. If I was the Queen I would vote Leave too. The Royals are the ones who have the most to lose with the EU
    Do you get much work as a fortune teller?
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    (Original post by Platopus)
    The queen is impartial in all political matters
    But she still probably has an opinion, off the record, even if it is not official.

    You are still evading the question I asked of you.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    You are still evading the question I asked of you.
    You asked if I would take arms against enemies of the Queen? I would - if there was an external war and mass conscription was called. I would - if there was an illegal coup against the legitimate government of the country. I would not if the people have freely voted to create a republic.

    And just what does this have to do with the price of fish anyway?
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    (Original post by Withengar)
    This EU strawman you xenophobic, fearmongering, utterly ludicrous bigots are building can be dismantled with one simple Google search and a thorough read of the EU's policies and practices (including veto power of the member states).

    Shut your damn mouth and focus on the important bit - like education, healthcare, women's rights, eradicating corruption, standard of life - most, if not all of which are sub-standard when compared to, say, Germany, France or the Nederlands. The EU doesn't need the UK - especially not next to Germany - the UK needs the EU.
    I lol'd for a good 5 mins when I saw what societies you're in. This is basically you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANgl54duC0A lol
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    (Original post by physicsphysics91)
    I lol'd for a good 5 mins when I saw what societies you're in. This is basically you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANgl54duC0A lol
    Well, you better laugh at something, because you don't get any joy in your bigoted, primitive, "two legs good, four legs bad" life.

    The societies I'm a part of don't do anything to undermine the facts, the truth or logic behind my arguments. This is just yet another blatant attempt to indulge in moronic ad-hominem and only goes to show you have nothing better to do with your sad, sad life then to look at someone else's profile on TSR.

    Pathetic.
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    (Original post by gladders)
    The Queen has no opinion, and those attempting to ascribe her one are endangering the monarchy.

    Even if we did know, so bloody what. I'm notorious here as a proud monarchist. I'm still not going to be so thick as to decide my voted based on what the Queen says.
    (Original post by gladders)
    Take the tin hat off mate. The EU is the creature of the Member States - that includes the UK.
    Ah, you again. You cannot be a monarchist and then support the EU at the same time. It does not make sense.

    If you really have a masters degree in constitutional law or whatever it is that you claim, you will know that the Queen is not only kept abreast of the ongoings in government but she also has a part to play. There were instances in the past where the Queen was involved in influencing the government and it is not my duty to educate you given that you're a Masters/Phd of Constitutional Law graduate whilst I'm just a basic A-level student (but I read loads).

    A few months ago, there was a UK based Croatian girl on this forum who sprouted nonsense about certain aspects of the constitutional law and to lend her assessment some credibility, she revealed that her source of authority was her father who was a constitutional professor at Cardiff uni. I really pity the students that are taught by him. He even has a wikipedia page :eek: After I dismantled her arguments, point by point, she has since disappeared from this forum altogether.

    Returning to the issue at hand, lest you forget, this is not an election, it is a referendum.
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    A few days ago, someone asked 'Why do Leave voters think they know better than experts?

    Because these 'experts' were wrong about the Gold standard, they were wrong about the single market when the intention all along was ever closer political union and they were wrong about the Euro. They were wrong then and they are wrong now!

    If UK leaves the EU, EU will collapse. Cos UK is essentially financing the entire EU with the strong £ against the failed €. Do you recall the George Osbourne tax rebate fiasco from 2 years ago? EU slapped a £1.7 billion on UK but Cameron vowed that he would not pay it. What happened in the end? UK still paid up and did so quietly.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29751124
    http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-e...u-budget-bill/
    http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-e...n-budget-bill/
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ember-deadline
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...happening.html

    Are you aware that the EU accounts have not been signed off for the past 19 years?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-spending.html
    http://www.richardmilton.net/have-th...ed-off-or-not/
    https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK...-eus-accounts/
    https://fullfact.org/europe/did-audi...ign-eu-budget/

    4 days ago, the German finance minister said he would cry if UK voted Brexit. Of course he would! Cos UK is the one funding the EU and Germany gets to dictate who gets the money and what to do with it.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-EU-referendum
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...718_story.html
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a6909616.html

    Please understand that Germany controls the EU and dictates to the other member states when to stand up and when to sit down. France is her close ally despite their colourful history.

    If UK leaves, then the other poorer member states would want to follow suit. Do you recall last year when EU forced Greece to accept a humongous financial bailout which EU knew Greece would never be able to repay back cos the interests were just too high? and the greek banks allowed its citizens to withdraw only €120 per week? When this news first broke out in Greece, its citizens queued up outside the bank to withdraw their monies but the banks were shut. Do you recall this man who cried outside the bank and this image went viral?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ing-man-banks/
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    If UK leaves then many EU citizens working in the UK and living off benefits will have to return back to their home countries. These EU citizens based in UK, don't want this to happen because UK is the only country in EU that offers such amazing benefits.

    Many of the European lecturers in the UK unis are also against Brexit because if UK pulls out of it then these lecturers will have to return back to their home countries and re-apply via a work permit system. So far nothing unusual? The catch here is that these lecturers of EU origin will have to compete for lecturing jobs with equally abled or far better lecturers from New Zealand, Canada, Australia, India, Hong Kong and Singapore. This is the reason why many European lecturers have been writing articles and blogs online to plead with UK citizens to vote in their favour. How selfish!

    If you have studied politics at A-level or at uni, depending on who your lecturer is and which textbook you're reading, you will know that ever since UK joined the EU, she has given away her sovereignty to the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and Luxembourg. I can't help but wonder why UK still needs a Supreme Court when its no longer supreme and a British parliament when it's no longer sovereign?

    Do you know that millions of British soldiers have died in several wars over the centuries to protect Queen and country? But Tony Blair let these millions of soldier died in vain because when he was in power for 10 years or so as the Prime Minister of UK, he allowed virtually everyone to enter the UK
    • without checking if they are holding genuine passports
    • without checking if they have links to terrorist groups
    • without checking if they have criminal records in their home countries
    • without checking if they have genuine educational qualifications or a trade skill
    • without checking if they have HIV/AIDS
    Someone recently asked me why should people wanting to enter into another country, be checked for HIV/AIDS? This is because the government owes a duty to its citizens to protect them from people who may want to infect others with their communicable diseases. This is an extension of a 'social contract theory'. Read up on it if you have time. Educate yourself.

    I'm German. As you know, many migrant men raped, molested and sexually abused many women in my country since New Year's Day.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ks-list-crimes
    http://www.news.com.au/finance/econo...d65045e65e141d

    This is the list of sex crimes against German women in one night. I hope you have a strong stomach for this.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-sex-assaults/

    You only have to see what the German police commissioner said on national TV to understand the true extent of the migrant crisis. Mind you, the higher command in Germany gave him a piece of their mind following the telecast of this interview. Watch it to believe it.
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    I hope all of you reading my post, bears this in mind. A country's sovereignty, security and safety of its citizens is so important. With Merkel's blunder, we have become a carbon copy of UK & the rest of EU and their set of problems.

    Merkel has been in hiding for many months now. She's pushing 62 years of age. She won't throw in the towel just yet. If UK decides to remain in the EU, I am certain they will make EU into a united states of Europe and she would be the major contender for the post of PM of the USE. Tony Blair has quietened down way too much to be able to stake a claim for that coveted position.

    Merkel studied physics and then chemistry. She has no knowledge and understanding about politics, law, finance and sociology. She tells the German public one thing and tells the EU another thing and then tells the world another thing. Sometime back she said that refugees must now return back to their countries of origin after the wars back home have ended.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKCN0V80IH

    With Turkey's inclusion into the EU imminent, there will be 77 million Turks who will get to make their debut appearance in any of the EU member states. They will not go to France because France has zero tolerance towards Muslims. They will continue to come to Germany or go to the UK where the borders are invincible and where the border agents have zero powers to turn people away.

    And if you go onto the Oxbridge threads on this forum and some of the other top UK unis, you will see a growing number of EU students who simply want UK to stay in the EU so that they can apply for student loans because without it they will not be able to study in these top unis. Their main priority is to get the funding and get a place at these tops unis.

    So you must be wondering whats wrong with that? Well, a growing number of EU students simply take these loans, one after another and then disappear after they've completed their studies without repaying the loans and the British government has to write off these debts. It's been reported several times and it's about time UK puts her foot down.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672...g-tuition-fees
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ing-loans.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...pay-debts.html

    The money you send to EU can be used to invest in your NHS, build more hospitals, recruit more police officers, increase their salaries which should apply to teachers and junior doctors too, give incentives (funding, tax breaks) to British citizens to start their own businesses (entrepreneurship) and so much more.

    Vote Leave!
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    (Original post by Withengar)
    Well, you better laugh at something, because you don't get any joy in your bigoted, primitive, "two legs good, four legs bad" life.

    The societies I'm a part of don't do anything to undermine the facts, the truth or logic behind my arguments. This is just yet another blatant attempt to indulge in moronic ad-hominem and only goes to show you have nothing better to do with your sad, sad life then to look at someone else's profile on TSR.

    Pathetic.
    My apology, I should have used the [TRIGGERWARNING][/TRIGGERWARNING] quotes.
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    Ugh. You know what - piss off. Everything you just posted is presumptive hokey, scaremongering and a vast wall of test that I can't be bothered to attempt to reply to. It's already been covered before in various other places and thoroughly blasted.

    I am pro-EU and monarchist. Deal with it.
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    I'm German.
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    TSR Translation compliance:
    "Dear Britain, if you stay in the EU...
    We will acknowledge the Wembley goal.
    We won't make any more jokes about Prince Charles' ears.
    We won't wear sun cream on the beach in solidarity with your sunburn.
    We will go without our goalkeeper at the next penalty shootout to make it more exciting.
    We will introduce tea time, with buckets on the beaches of Majorca.
    We will willingly provide the villain in every Bond film.
    We'll start "ticking" like you and put our clocks back by an hour.
    We'll put through an EU directive which forbids foam on our beer.
    We'll reserve sun loungers around the pool for you with our towels.
    Jogi Löw will guard your crown jewels.
    We will come to your Queen's 100th birthday."
 
 
 
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