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    The Scottish have a right to have another referendum after this result; they overwhelmingly voted to stay in the EU, so they shouldn't be dragged down by England and Wales.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Not without condition, as you yourself have said :rolleyes:

    Naturally

    Erm, thanks? :erm:
    Exactly so!

    See,I respect your family. They've stayed in London
    Others who complain of immigrants taking over just annoy me and anyway,with certain areas of London being gentrified we are seeing more white middle class Brits moving back into the 'ghettos' of London.
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    (Original post by drowzee)
    The Scottish have a right to have another referendum after this result; they overwhelmingly voted to stay in the EU, so they shouldn't be dragged down by England and Wales
    Dragged down? We're the only thing propping them up right now! (look at their books). Please join us in the real world, we'd love to have you

    (Original post by queen-bee)
    I respect your family. They've stayed in London
    My mother, father, and I have not. My sister has no choice due to job. Other relies have moved to places like Cornwall, Hampshire, Australia

    Others who complain of immigrants taking over just annoy me
    See if we give a **** if our genuine social concerns re: the degradation of our nation/coming race riots and civil unrest 'annoys' you :yy:

    with certain areas of London being gentrified we are seeing more white middle class Brits moving back into the 'ghettos' of London
    Source? Only people moving into multicultural ghettos are poor/misguided/hipsters (often wind up victims of street/violent/sex and hate crime)
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Dragged down? We're the only thing propping them up right now! (look at their books). Please join us in the real world, we'd love to have you
    By down she clearly meant out of the EU against their wishes. However if you feel strongly about how much of a drain Scotland is on the UK then I'm sure you'll be happy to have them gone.
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    **** that little cow.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Dragged down? We're the only thing propping them up right now! (look at their books). Please join us in the real world, we'd love to have you
    Leaving the EU will have terrible consequences for the UK, and we can already see the effects taking place. How are we going to trade freely? What kind of agreement will we have? Would we join the EEA like Norway, or a bilateral agreement like Switzerland? The deal with have as an EU member is much better than the one we will get; the EU has all the power here, so they will use our exit as a warning to the other EU members.

    The financial sector has badly been hit; the markets are tumbling, and overtime, we could see many hedge funds and investment banks relocating their European headquarters to Frankfurt. That would be terrible for the UK, and it will only stop foreign businesses locating their European headquarters in London and even investing here. I am in the real world, but unfortunately, Brexiters are not.

    I don't think the UK will be the same again; it still will be a great and powerful country, but not as powerful as we were or could have been if we stayed. Scotland has voted to stay in the EU, so they should be able to and not dragged out of it against its will.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Dragged down? We're the only thing propping them up right now! (look at their books). Please join us in the real world, we'd love to have you

    My mother, father, and I have not. My sister has no choice due to job. Other relies have moved to places like Cornwall, Hampshire, Australia

    See if we give a **** if our genuine social concerns re: the degradation of our nation/coming race riots and civil unrest 'annoys' you :yy:

    Source? Only people moving into multicultural ghettos are poor/misguided/hipsters (often wind up victims of street/violent/sex and hate crime)
    If Leave was given the privilege of ruining the economy, so should Scotland.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Dragged down? We're the only thing propping them up right now! (look at their books). Please join us in the real world, we'd love to have you

    My mother, father, and I have not. My sister has no choice due to job. Other relies have moved to places like Cornwall, Hampshire, Australia

    See if we give a **** if our genuine social concerns re: the degradation of our nation/coming race riots and civil unrest 'annoys' you :yy:

    Source? Only people moving into multicultural ghettos are poor/misguided/hipsters (often wind up victims of street/violent/sex and hate crime)
    Last time I checked your mother was living in a very nice area of London. Your father never really lived in London to begin with as far as I know and well,you moved out due to health reasons.

    I think this whole race riots and degradation and civil unrest argument is overly hyped

    So it's just hipsters?
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Dragged down? We're the only thing propping them up right now! (look at their books). Please join us in the real world, we'd love to have you
    Here comes Project Fear!

    If it comes to it Scotland's independence campaigners can just come up with a few half-truths, a few lies and just spend the rest of the time accusing anyone who contradicts them as scaremongerers. It seems to work.
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    (Original post by drowzee)
    How are we going to trade freely?
    The objective is not to trade freely, but to trade prosperously.* The biggest exporters to the EU (China, USA, Russia) have no free trade agreement with her, for example

    What kind of agreement will we have?
    Hopefully not a watered own version of what exists at present! (unfortunately this looks likely)

    The deal with have as an EU member is much better than the one we will get
    I’m sorry but you cannot possibly know that

    the EU has all the power here
    Perhaps it would be instructive for you to peruse my analysis

    they will use our exit as a warning to the other EU members
    Just watch what happens in Europe now. These are very interesting times for continental Eurosceptics (of which there are hundreds of millions)

    The financial sector has badly been hit, the markets are tumbling
    FTSE was only down 4% last time I checked, on half a day’s trading, and Sterling fell, before rallying. So, a little premature, dontcha think? Also, the market’s had bubbled prior to this and the show can’t go on forever (unless you buy into the Brown mantra of ‘the end of boom and bust’)

    we could see many hedge funds and investment banks relocating their European headquarters to Frankfurt
    Amen to that! UK financial sector needs rebalancing as it is. Government has failed to split the casino from the retail banks so this is a reasonable second best solution. It’ll be a bitter pill but long term it’s healthiest for our economy, and Democracy

    will only stop foreign businesses locating their European headquarters in London and even investing here
    FDI will be significantly impacted in the short-medium term, NGL, but this is based on a lot more than just the IB scene, no worries. The same empty threats were wheeled out when we opted not to join the single currency (arguably much more of a bind to European markets), and look how the city has prospered regardless!

    I am in the real world, but unfortunately, Brexiters are not
    Oh, I’m sorry, you’re right, this first-class graduate economist and political commentator is living in cloud cuckoo land and hasn’t the faintest clue what he’s talking about! :laugh:

    I don't think the UK will be the same again; it still will be a great and powerful country, but not as powerful as we were or could have been if we stayed
    Development Economics does not support this view. Democracy and self-determination are correlated with stability, dynamism, and prosperity

    Scotland has voted to stay in the EU, so they should be able to and not dragged out of it against its will
    In principle, I agree, but the practical reality + philosophical question raised by the points I noted, stand firm

    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Last time I checked your mother was living in a very nice area of London
    Kingston Upon Thames is not in London, it’s in Surrey

    Your father never really lived in London to begin with as far as I know
    You might want to check your facts dear (1970’s-1999, 2006-2010, and raised our family there)

    you moved out due to health reasons
    Partly for health reasons, partly for reasons of affordability e.g. given the fact that my family had moved out and certain Londoners seriously let me down regarding offers of accommodation

    I think this whole race riots and degradation and civil unrest argument is overly hyped
    Look to Europe, take a deep breath, and think again

    So it's just hipsters?
    i.e. hipsters + poor people + a misguided few who don’t fit into either camp
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    Not going to happen. The debate was settled for a generation when they voted to stay in 2014.
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    (Original post by Trapz99)
    Not going to happen. The debate was settled for a generation when they voted to stay in 2014.
    Yeah, right :rolleyes:
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    Please go independent and rejoin the EU Scotland!
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Sturgeon does not have the power to call a binding independence referendum. For the moment, NI will always vote to remain in the UK because of the inbuilt unionist majority.

    Scots will have a tough choice, whether to leave their largest trading partner/customs union in order to join a more distant one of lesser economic significance (and with very complicated currency issues to wrestle with).
    That is exactly the problem I think. Don't you think that is complete b*llocks how she can't do that on her own?
    Wouldn't surprise me if we re-joined the EU to find the Euro to be stronger than sterling. Now that would be funny.
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    (Original post by drowzee)
    Leaving the EU will have terrible consequences for the UK, and we can already see the effects taking place.
    What effects?

    FTSE 100 is falling by only 1.84%, whilst the French CAC 40 is at -6.54%, the German Dax at -5.71%, the Spanish IBEX at -10.8%, the Japanese Nikkei at -7.92%, etc.

    The EU can also lose big with Brexit and the markets are currently assuming that it will be hurt more. Don't assume that British companies will massively relocate to the EU; it is not a safe place for investments.
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    (Original post by cbreef)
    That is exactly the problem I think. Don't you think that is complete b*llocks how she can't do that on her own?
    Of course not. It is not a devolved matter. Would it be sensible to allow the mayor of London, the leader of the Welsh Assembly or the mayors of Bristol or Liverpool to have the same power? No.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Of course not. It is not a devolved matter. Would it be sensible to allow the mayor of London, the leader of the Welsh Assembly or the mayors of Bristol or Liverpool to have the same power? No.
    I don't see London as a different country though. and I don't think you do either. So you can't compare the two
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    I suspect it is impossible to predict how Scotland might vote re independence until whatever deal is to be agreed between rUK and EU is clearer. Scotland conducts a vast amount of trade with rUK and until a little clarity re what any relationship will be is determined everything is pure conjecture.

    The first will be finding out the real attitude of the EU to the UK re future arrangements, right now all players will be considering all options, it is not impossible that some fudged arrangement evolves.

    The EU executive do require to be mindful of what the individual member states need/wish/require, the members states require to be mindful of the pressures from their own stakeholders, business, workers, unions et al, so right now I would suggest the only logical option for all parties is to draw breath, talk internally, talk externally and do not commit to a path that cannot be altered as time passes.

    Right now every talking head is going to be performing their function, the media will conjecture at everything, but experience does tell us that outcomes do not always follow the current consensus view.

    e.g. does the EU develop even more different ways to participate, who knows.

    The one thing we do know is the EU needs funded by its members to exist and he who pays the piper tends to call the tune, so decisions and agreements will imho more come from national governments directing the EU, rather than the EU officials themselves (they can all be replaced if push comes to shove) currently the members do not have one voice, once they do (however fudged) we will get an idea of where everything is going.
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    (Original post by cbreef)
    I don't see London as a different country though. and I don't think you do either. So you can't compare the two
    I don't see Scotland as a different country. It isn't.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    I don't see Scotland as a different country. It isn't.
    I disagree, the UK is merely a political union of 4 different countries.
 
 
 
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