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    (Original post by andrewUK)
    Your not understanding so let me show you why houses will still be hard to buy and why rent would go up-"a vote for Brexit would mean a rise of between 0.7% and 1.1% in borrowing costs (on top of what happens anyway), the average cost of a mortgage could increase by up to £1,000 a year.A rise in interest rates would also affect those in rented accommodation, as costs for landlords would go up."
    How might the EU exit affect average house prices?YearBy leaving EUIf UK had remained in EU2016£277,600£278,5002017£28 8,900£290,8002018£300,800£303 ,000WOW house prices will fall by 3 grand that is sooooooooo much cheaper. Oh wait... wage are expected to drop along with benefits so people won't even be able to afford a house regardless of the tiny fall in the price of houses.
    Well you've drunk the Koolaid because the BOE is keeping interest rates low, meaning that a hike in mortgage prices won't occur.

    So we're back to supply and demand. Less demand, so rent and property buying becomes cheaper. And any slowdown in the cost of property is good - you can't just write it off because it doesn't suit you.

    And why on earth would wages drop??
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    (Original post by geoking)
    Well you've drunk the Koolaid because the BOE is keeping interest rates low, meaning that a hike in mortgage prices won't occur.

    So we're back to supply and demand. Less demand, so rent and property buying becomes cheaper. And any slowdown in the cost of property is good - you can't just write it off because it doesn't suit you.

    And why on earth would wages drop??
    Why would there be less demand? 90,000 young people don't have a home.2 million families are on the waiting list.
    How is removing 300,000 immigrants and bringing back 500,000 pensioners (the other 1.3 million pensioners have homes abroad) into the UK going to solve this going to solve this?

    And if you read the article "Several experts have predicted that the economic shock of leaving the EU would cause unemployment to rise in the UK. That would reduce the pressure for wage growth. The Treasury estimated that wages will be between 2.8% and 4% lower at the point of maximum impact, with a typical worker at least £780 a year worse off."
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    I stayed up all night to watch it unfold and I am proud to British and I think it was a good decision that the United Kingdom voted to leave the EU it opens a new door to new opportunity's and for a better economic future for Britain. Out is out we do not need Norway - EU style deal we should get out and stay out. Now everyone needs to come together and accept the decision the British people took and make sure that this works for everyone and make sure the future of Britain is bright, safe and stable.
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    (Original post by Callum27)
    I stayed up all night to watch it unfold and I am proud to British and I think it was a good decision that the United Kingdom voted to leave the EU it opens a new door to new opportunity's and for a better economic future for Britain. Out is out we do not need Norway - EU style deal we should get out and stay out. Now everyone needs to come together and accept the decision the British people took and make sure that this works for everyone and make sure the future of Britain is bright, safe and stable.
    And why do you think that Britain has 'a better economic future' after that? does Britain has even a plan how to deal with it?
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    (Original post by Kallisto)
    And why do you think that Britain has 'a better economic future' after that? does Britain has even a plan how to deal with it?
    I do not know what is being talked about behind close doors so I don't know if they have a plan yet, But one of the reasons I think we will have a better economic future is because we have the freedom to do our own trade deals with big super powers like China and the USA so in the long term I can see a better future for the UK.
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    We are going to be so much better! people are complaining that we left but those are the same people that complain the government isn't doing anything for us. It's VERY likely its because the EU ignores almost everything we propose! MOST countries in the world don't have a legislation like this - or the NHS. People are acting like its a right. Just goes to show how privileged we are. Its mainly teenagers copying what every other teenager thinks too. I'm very happy we left. I couldn't vote but we voted out. We decided to after thinking about it very hard.
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    (Original post by Callum27)
    I do not know what is being talked about behind close doors so I don't know if they have a plan yet, But one of the reasons I think we will have a better economic future is because we have the freedom to do our own trade deals with big super powers like China and the USA so in the long term I can see a better future for the UK.
    I see. Personally, I have my doubts that Britain as a global player is strong enough to deal the trade with big super powers. But that is my view. If Britain has a concept how to trade with big super powers without being a part of EU and if it is realistically, I see no problems.
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    (Original post by Callum27)
    I do not know what is being talked about behind close doors so I don't know if they have a plan yet, But one of the reasons I think we will have a better economic future is because we have the freedom to do our own trade deals with big super powers like China and the USA so in the long term I can see a better future for the UK.
    just a simple question- why would china trade with us over the USA...what different do we have to offer them than the USA does who has a much larger economy? and why would the USA go for the UK trade deal over an EU trade deal or a trade deal with a country supplying products different to what the USA can create or that is a much larger economy.

    Not trying to argue...just a question i keep asking people all through the debate, and no-one seemed to have a factual answer
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    USA has the biggest economy in the world at about $17 trillion GDP. China would want to trade with us because it can get them in to europe (not EU i know) and the UK is working very close with China as there prisident came to the UK to talk with Cameron last year. They wont pick us over the USA they will pick us as they see were in help and they will benefit from trading with the UK to tighten the relasionship with with us and there economy is slowing down so they may see us as a place to go. Also why the US should trade with us. Its in the US best intrest to keep us as a strong economic friend which will benifit them and us. They are working on a US - EU trade deal and have now said they want to trade with us after we officaly leave (when ever that may be) but all that back of the que rubbish has now gone out the window now brexit is coming true. I dont see why China or the US will turn down a trade deal. And remember Obama and Cameron will not be in power much longer. The UK shall have a new prime minister and the US shall have a new leader as well. I think this is a new era of the UK which will be more better than we have seen under EU control

    (Original post by JsJsxox)
    just a simple question- why would china trade with us over the USA...what different do we have to offer them than the USA does who has a much larger economy? and why would the USA go for the UK trade deal over an EU trade deal or a trade deal with a country supplying products different to what the USA can create or that is a much larger economy.

    Not trying to argue...just a question i keep asking people all through the debate, and no-one seemed to have a factual answer
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    (Original post by andrewUK)
    Why would there be less demand? 90,000 young people don't have a home.2 million families are on the waiting list.
    How is removing 300,000 immigrants and bringing back 500,000 pensioners (the other 1.3 million pensioners have homes abroad) into the UK going to solve this going to solve this?

    And if you read the article "Several experts have predicted that the economic shock of leaving the EU would cause unemployment to rise in the UK. That would reduce the pressure for wage growth. The Treasury estimated that wages will be between 2.8% and 4% lower at the point of maximum impact, with a typical worker at least £780 a year worse off."
    Well those 500k pensioners aren't going to be expelled from their current place of residence :facepalm:

    So when you look at the real figures, not the absurd fear-mongering figures you're using, there will be a net reduction in the demand for housing.

    As for the jobs, those figures do not take into account openings created by EU migration stopping. Considering the unemployment figure the report uses is between 500-800k, that is covered within a few years by a drop in immigration, but more importantly, the figure is absolute horse **** because it's based on GDP, something which has been useless at measuring employment for years.
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    We are going to want to join the single market. Therefore we would have to pay EU membership and there will be freedom of movement.

    As for EU laws. It will take us many years to choose (of every single one) whether we keep it or not.
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    Very interesting article by Matthew Holehouse in the Telegraph this evening.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...n-like-greece/

    He says "doing a Norway" is off the table already as Juncker is determined not to allow it.

    Predicts the UK faces an increase of 800,000 in unemployment and a crash of 6% in GDP.

    British graduate unemployment will surge as the EU jobs market gets shut to them and points system on immigration causes chaos in UK employers.
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    (Original post by geoking)
    Well those 500k pensioners aren't going to be expelled from their current place of residence :facepalm:

    So when you look at the real figures, not the absurd fear-mongering figures you're using, there will be a net reduction in the demand for housing.

    As for the jobs, those figures do not take into account openings created by EU migration stopping. Considering the unemployment figure the report uses is between 500-800k, that is covered within a few years by a drop in immigration, but more importantly, the figure is absolute horse **** because it's based on GDP, something which has been useless at measuring employment for years.
    Many pensioners living in the EU will have to leave. Unless Britain chooses to maintain some freedom of movement. However in order to maintain freedom of movement Britain will have to reduce their control over immigration as Switzerland has. But given that immigration was the main reason many voted out it is unlikely Britain will choose choose to give up some of their control.

    This means that British expats who don't own property will become illegal immigrants. This is because the 1969 Vienna Convention gives property owners 'acquired rights'. Dominic Grieve (look him up if you don't know him) has argued this many times.

    The unemployment figures do take into account opening by EU migration stopping however this is outweighed by the fact that many businesses such as JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America who employ tens of thousands are moving their operations away from the UK. HSBC has already moved 1,000 jobs.
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    (Original post by gro)
    We are going to be so much better! people are complaining that we left but those are the same people that complain the government isn't doing anything for us. It's VERY likely its because the EU ignores almost everything we propose! MOST countries in the world don't have a legislation like this - or the NHS. People are acting like its a right. Just goes to show how privileged we are. Its mainly teenagers copying what every other teenager thinks too. I'm very happy we left. I couldn't vote but we voted out. We decided to after thinking about it very hard.
    This response is an excellent example of so many people do not understand the EU. Our parliament is sovereign. The EU does not restrict housing developments. We follow regulations, yes, but in the event of a conflict between an EU regulation and an existing law, our Parliament has the right to choose which to follow. Many people underestimate our control in the EU. We were, alongside France and Germany, considered to be part of "The Big 3" of the most powerful and influential nations. We were on the winning side of the vast majority 90%+ of policies and laws enacted. There simply never was enough EU coverage in our mainstream media, not the EUs fault.

    https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06...rendum-debate/

    If you wish to understand all the angry Remain voters you can watch this video. Perhaps then you may counter arguments informatively rather than on an impression given by journalistic slander. I don't expect many to do so, it's about 25 minutes long, but it's unbiased and informative. The professor has just as much of a career with Brexit than otherwise.
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    (Original post by Callum27)
    USA has the biggest economy in the world at about $17 trillion GDP. China would want to trade with us because it can get them in to europe (not EU i know) and the UK is working very close with China as there prisident came to the UK to talk with Cameron last year. They wont pick us over the USA they will pick us as they see were in help and they will benefit from trading with the UK to tighten the relasionship with with us and there economy is slowing down so they may see us as a place to go. Also why the US should trade with us. Its in the US best intrest to keep us as a strong economic friend which will benifit them and us. They are working on a US - EU trade deal and have now said they want to trade with us after we officaly leave (when ever that may be) but all that back of the que rubbish has now gone out the window now brexit is coming true. I dont see why China or the US will turn down a trade deal. And remember Obama and Cameron will not be in power much longer. The UK shall have a new prime minister and the US shall have a new leader as well. I think this is a new era of the UK which will be more better than we have seen under EU control
    I'm not denying we worked very closely, but was that not just because last year we were also in the EU...now we're not so will they still want such a deal with the UK. China's economy may be sowing, but it still has an annual growth of 6% compares to the UK's at about 2%...admitted the USA also has similar growth to us, but with a much larger economy with almost the same trading products, which again I wonder why they would go for the UK of we're not in the EU when there are better standing countries to trade with. They can't get a lot from us, they may not turn down a deal but it won't be great enough to support our country, but surely one with a country in the EU would have been more successful for them and therefore created a better deal.

    The USA trade deal was around the EU, not UK on it's own. I do believe they will still want to trade with the UK, but will it be enough and at a better deal than being within the EU could've created, not really, we now are no different- it'll be 2 countries trading goods and services which are basically the same as each other.

    The UK and USA will both be under new leadership agreed, will this drastically change the situation around the doubt of our ability to trade effectively for what our country needs...i don't think so. I think it is a new era, but personally I'm not too optimistic about it being better that under EU 'control' (I'd choose a different word to 'control' personally, we still had some power and were not 'controlled' by the EU, just influenced in some things i.e. 13% of our laws and that's about it).

    btw- again i'm not trying to offend, just some of my views which no-one really seemed to think of so I'm pleased someone with an opposing view is listening and thinking about too
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Someone needs to have a word in the ear of Guardian columnists and point out difference between pre-plebiscite hype/post-electoral hysteria

    What they're doing is harmful to the unity/prosperity of the nation. They should grow up, accept outcome, and consider acting in national interest
    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    By engaging in hysteria it irrefutably is contributing to tensions
    The Guardian, really?!





    But no, it's totally the Guardian that's doing the damage isn't it :facepalm:
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    (Original post by Olie)
    The Guardian, really?!
    Yes, really: The Guardian: The English have placed a bomb under the Irish peace process

    it's totally the Guardian that's doing the damage isn't it :facepalm:
    Are you learning impaired, fam?:mute:
 
 
 
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