Parliament should not invoke Article 50 - the referendum was a farce

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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Do you not think that as a first step in that process, giving people generally accurate information might not be the best thing? Instead of pumping their heads full of carefully planned deliberate lies?
    Indeed, and as a result I'd expect to see a bigger shift to the Leave vote.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Parliament, as you very well know, decided to hand this decision over to the electorate in the form of an election. All the rules were set by parliament, the timetable was set by parliament, so we can rest assured that our supreme decision-making body was happy with what it set up.

    You are attempting to subvert's the decision of our supreme legislative body.
    Please explain how the decision is resolved when it was almost a dead heat?

    And how many of those who voted Leave now regret it, having learned the truth from Leave about their various promises and seen the damage it is doing and will do?
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    (Original post by Tsunaomi)
    As in force them to go against the majority of voters just to appease the minority?? Sure, that's very democratic of you.
    When it's basically 50/50, there is no 'majority'.
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    (Original post by The Roast)
    Are you seriously that Machiavellian?!

    The whole reason for this Referendum was for Parliament to hear us. :facepalm:
    All that was really heard was Farage and his ratpack of offshored cheerleaders in the Sun, the Mail, etc, etc.

    Even the BBC did not really challenge the nonsense of £350m a week, yet literally minutes after the decision, Leave cheerfully came over with "what that, oh yeah, haha, you didn't really believe that did you?".
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    As a minimum, I think in such a crucial national referendum, any media organisation participating should be paying taxes in the UK and not in the British Virgin Islands, Panama, Monaco, etc.
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    I empathise with you, I felt like half of myself and my identity evaporated yesterday. But when you vote for a politician who lied to you, it was your fault for not recognising he's lying. That is, if it is the case that Leave lied about those two issues (and I'm sure they lied about the NHS, not so sure they lied about immigration*) and the British voter fell for it, everyone (unfortunately) has to live with the consequences.

    *This is touted by a fair amount of people. They cite Hannan who doesn't appear to be saying extreme. Who thought that post-Brexit, the UK would have no EU migrants? I don't think Leave made that argument.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Note the fascist threats of violence there. The true face of UKIP and the reality of Brexit 'politics'.

    Not since the 1930s and Oswald Moseley has this country faced such a threat from the hate-filled extreme right.
    You've made a case for why we should not have had the referendum in the first place, and why we should ever have one again. But it has been called, it has been held and now we are stuck with the result. Unless there is a drastic change, like an new deal from the EU, parliament and any government cannot ignore it. You're best hope now is that Boris stands by his policy to call an election if he becomes PM and this is held before article 50 is invoked. This would likely bring in a Labour or coalition government that could avoid invoking article 50. But it'll take some serious aligning of the political stars for this to be brought about.
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    Personally I believe it is better to have a swift exit rather than more infighting. Time to get on and move on with life.

    The public has decided and its time to live with the majority, even if it was a majority of 1 it is STILL a majority.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    When it's basically 50/50, there is no 'majority'.
    Except it wasnt.

    And there was.

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    If I sore 68% on an exam.. I dont get awarded a first, because I 'bassically got a first' (putting it in to a context fitting for this forum)

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    I understand how its emotional right now, considering how passionate you felt for remain, and how much you are worried for your country. I also voted remain, and I am worried as well..

    But, calling for more referendums, calling to ignore this one - is only going to harm this country. You are pushing for actions which will cause us to divide even further.. what your asking for would cause riots in the streets, and be the largest undermining in our democracy in living memory. Your pushing for another referendum, which would cause further uncertainty, more fighting between groups, more arguing, more political turmoil.. at a time when the UK needs nothing more then stability and resolve.

    In the very british way, I would remind that the best thing you can do for your country right now is to adopt your stiff upper lip, and: keep calm and carry on.
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    (Original post by Reue)
    Indeed, and as a result I'd expect to see a bigger shift to the Leave vote.
    It's getting depressing. I voted remain, but I know this country can survive and prosper either way and I know we've turned into a fascist state. People like OP are embarrassing themselves and are creating this urge in me to swing right, because of their blatant disregard for democracy and their shameful disdain of the working classes.
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    (Original post by Jee1)
    Over the years people in the North have become increasingly anti immigration. Even big northern cities. It's not only natives who voted out it's the same case with second/3rd generation Asians. Just yesterday my asian friend who lives in the north was shouted at in the street and told to go back home
    Yes. Thing is though Asians in Bradford etc are realising that its more to do with class than it is about identity.

    I truly believe though majority of Nationalists don't even hold National Socialist views. They've just been pushed to the edge by authoritarian lefties.

    Everyone is getting sick of it 2bh and that is why remain lost.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    As a minimum, I think in such a crucial national referendum, any media organisation participating should be paying taxes in the UK and not in the British Virgin Islands, Panama, Monaco, etc.
    And how about when the government spends £8million of tax-payer money to send out their own media supporting just 1 side of the argument?
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    (Original post by Reue)
    And how about when the government spends £8million of tax-payer money to send out their own media supporting just 1 side of the argument?
    I think if we put the combined amounts the Mailygraph and the SkySun spent on this, we'd be lucky to get change out of £100m.

    The Mail alone spilled out so many lies - yet even just casually listening to people in shops and so on, you can tell they are widely believed.
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    full of surprises is really showing herself to be the real fascist of tsr. not being funny hun but when i was a full on nationalist even I didn't get in the way of elections. you have out fashed me and that is saying something.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    You've made a case for why we should not have had the referendum in the first place, and why we should ever have one again. But it has been called, it has been held and now we are stuck with the result. Unless there is a drastic change, like an new deal from the EU, parliament and any government cannot ignore it. You're best hope now is that Boris stands by his policy to call an election if he becomes PM and this is held before article 50 is invoked. This would likely bring in a Labour or coalition government that could avoid invoking article 50. But it'll take some serious aligning of the political stars for this to be brought about.
    I think very significant numbers of people are going to be furious if Parliament supinely pushes this through without very serious debate and further thought.

    I also think a great many MPs will on reflection not support it, including potentially a number in the Tory Party.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    full of surprises is really showing herself to be the real fascist of tsr. not being funny hun but when i was a full on nationalist even I didn't get in the way of elections. you have out fashed me and that is saying something.
    You're being ridiculous and flying in the face of the facts. We had a very close referendum and the referendum itself was not legally binding. There is no justification from the result so far for Parliament to suddenly act and launch us out of the EU, indeed, the reverse is true - it should be subject to much reflection and possibly a general election on the issue.

    So far we have not had democracy, but a distorted, twisted sham of it.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    When it's basically 50/50, there is no 'majority'.
    The larger part (greater than half) is the literal definition of a majority, and one you would happily abide by if things had gone the other way.

    Grow up, quit crying over spilled milk and realise that the sun still rose this morning and will tomorrow. If article 50 isn't invoked then it will almost certainly be the death of democracy as we know it.
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    (Original post by DJMayes)
    The larger part (greater than half) is the literal definition of a majority, and one you would happily abide by if things had gone the other way.

    Grow up, quit crying over spilled milk and realise that the sun still rose this morning and will tomorrow. If article 50 isn't invoked then it will almost certainly be the death of democracy as we know it.
    Since when and on what planet does 'democracy' mean 'referendum result by a sliver over 1% difference."? Democracy is electing representatives to decide for us in a properly constituted parliament.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    We must contact our MPs and tell them that we cannot and do not accept that they should vote through the invoking of Article 50, to begin the process of leaving the EU. Instead, we should have a Royal Commission or similar to enquire properly into what it would mean to leave the EU and there should be a declaration that there will be a 5-year moratorium on action until more time for reflection has been had.
    Fair enough, what happens if the Conservatives lose their majority at the next election and Jeremy Corbyn has the mandate to form a government with a coalition with Scottish and Welsh nationalists and Greens. You might see the same sort of chaos in the currency and stock markets as happened yesterday. Faced with that sort of threat, the Conservative PM should immediately announce that he cannot and does not accept the new government, call a Royal Commission to find out the real implications to the UK of having this sort of government, and then declare a 5-year moratorium on action, continuing the Conservative government.

    I am sure you would see the sense in this.
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    I want to be the prime minister. Those who dont agree with me can **** off !
 
 
 
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