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    (Original post by Craig1998)
    Whats your source for this?
    The Spanish government and every news outlet in the world.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Quoting from a rather interesting comment on The Guardian's live coverage yesterday (it's long but worth a considered read):

    If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

    Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

    With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

    How?

    Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

    And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

    The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

    The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

    Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

    Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

    If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

    The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

    When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

    All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...mment-77205935
    Just quoting to repost this article.

    The majority (though small it may be) voted to leave, but we haven't left yet. The way I see it, we have screwed ourselves no matter what.
    The Brexit "victory" has given a much louder, and seemingly more socially acceptable voice to the racists in the country. They view this win as them having more power. Should we leave the EU, more perceived power goes to these idiots and their voices get louder. Should it all fall through and we remain, the racist morons most probably will rebel, and now they will be screaming hate towards the government as well as the 'bloody immigrants'. So racism and probably hate crime will increase no matter what.

    As the article above states, no one wants to actually trigger article 50. We are doomed to be run by a government who is unwilling to lead us forward on this, so will probably be stuck in limbo for some time. And let's not forget, Boris Johnson is more likely than ever to be our next PM. Seriously.

    There is also the petition for the second referendum. Allowing this would probably result in a majority voting remain, which personally I'd be happy with. However, it also goes against everything democracy should be, and we will be left with a lot of unhappy bunnies, who let's not forget, are racist idiots. Not to mention, the rest of the world will be laughing at us for doing this stupid (and now pointless) referendum in the first place. Britain took it's country back, then crapped its pants and changed its mind. No one wants to be that guy.

    Finally, we have those who voted for the Brexit, but are now suffering from 'Bregret'. These are the worst of the lot. Being too dumb to realise Nigel Farage was lying is not a valid reason for you to get a do-over. These ignorant swines have just demonstrated perfectly why democracy doesn't work. Some people are just too stupid to be allowed to have a say in the future of a country, or at least that is how it should be. The world is laughing at us, right now, so thanks for that.

    That's my view on this mess. We've locked ourselves in a room with a poisonous snake, and now have to either fight to kill, or keep running from it. In my opinion, we'd be better sticking with the Brexit and fighting it out and hoping for the best. But then, I'm not a trustworthy and reliable politician, am I?
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    (Original post by zigglr)
    We can't allow the old people and pub plebs to ruin everything for the young generation. Is there anything we can do to stop brexit?
    You do nothing, you let the uk leave the Eu and then you'll be grateful for the benefits
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    Failing to see how it is undemocratic to reject the worst thing that could possibly happen to the UK, but okay
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    (Original post by Craig1998)
    Move to Scotland, who will more than likely vote to leave the UK then join the EU.

    Thats my plan now anyway.
    That's only if sturgeon can secure another referendum. When she got the last one, she was told it would be the one and only and something tells me that Westminster won't allow it.
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    we can't do anything, to stop leave would be stopping democracy.
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    What can you do about it you say?

    Nothing.
    Stop crying about it. Who won, won. Would you want Switzerland to play against Poland again just so Switzerland win this time? Nah that doesn't seem fair does it now...
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    (Original post by TheWetNoodle)
    What can you do about it you say?

    Nothing.
    Stop crying about it. Who won, won. Would you want Switzerland to play against Poland again just so Switzerland win this time? Nah that doesn't seem fair does it now...
    But if Poland won because they were cheating people wouldn't want the game to be replayed they'd want the result reserved.




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    (Original post by James82)
    The Spanish government and every news outlet in the world.
    An actual link to a source.. cant seem to find anyting on google news.
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    (Original post by 09craige)
    That's only if sturgeon can secure another referendum. When she got the last one, she was told it would be the one and only and something tells me that Westminster won't allow it.
    Well the Scottish people clearly want to stay in the EU, and it would be pretty undemocratic for them to get what they want.
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    I'm Scottish and I can't wait to leave
    (Original post by Craig1998)
    Well the Scottish people clearly want to stay in the EU, and it would be pretty undemocratic for them to get what they want.
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    (Original post by 09craige)
    I'm Scottish and I can't wait to leave
    I'm talking about the Scottish overall, it was a remain majority in Scotland.
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    Build a time machine (if you can). And use it ( if it works).

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    (Original post by tanyapotter)
    Failing to see how it is undemocratic to reject the worst thing that could possibly happen to the UK, but okay
    Is it true that Scotland or the majority of Scottish is against the Brexit? or is it just a rumour outside of the UK?
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    (Original post by zigglr)
    We can't allow the old people and pub plebs to ruin everything for the young generation. Is there anything we can do to stop brexit?
    What a contemptuous opening post
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    1) Labour get a new, pro EU leader. A general election is called. Labour win and ignore the referendum. Remember that Brexit constantly banged on about Parliamentary supremacy. We can see some of that in action.

    2) Another referendum once our negotiation with the EU has taken place. People will see what a bad situation the UK will end up in. Or they'll see that for the UK to continue to perform as well as it has been, we need to work with the EU... which means things like free movement etc.

    Likelihood of these things happening? God knows.
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    (Original post by Craig1998)
    An actual link to a source.. cant seem to find anyting on google news.
    The main reason why Spain wouldn't allow it as they are in a similar position with Catalonia wanting independence from Spain. If Spain happily let Scotland join the EU it would give the people who want Catalonia to be independent a precedent in being able to join the EU.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-eu-membership
    - it's from the 2014 independence referendum but still relevant.
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    Why are immigrants allowed to vote?

    People should have lived here more than a year to be able to vote it's ridiculous.

    Why are these people allowed to influence the future of our people? their history, their heritage is not here. Ours is.
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    (Original post by Alright2bWhite)
    Why are immigrants allowed to vote?

    People should have lived here more than a year to be able to vote it's ridiculous.

    Why are these people allowed to influence the future of our people? their history, their heritage is not here. Ours is.
    I thought people had to stay here for a lot longer than a year to be able to vote, can anyone back this up. Thought it was nearer to 10 years or something like that.
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    (Original post by Kallisto)
    Is it true that Scotland or the majority of Scottish is against the Brexit? or is it just a rumour outside of the UK?
    Yup that's true.

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