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    (Original post by Josb)
    If nobody wants them, it's because these jobs aren't paid enough. In a functional labour market, salaries would go up until people are willing to work for that wage.

    The problem is that employers can import people from another country at no cost to work for a wage under what is acceptable for this effort.

    Not everybody can do a skilled job. We shouldn't complain at poor people who don't want to do menial jobs on minimum wage all their life.

    Before the 80s, most of them worked in the mines, in large factories, or in the fields; now the former two have closed and Poles work in the latter. Just imagine the distress of these people.
    So the market is functioning.... The market just has one less barrier. Protectionist borders.
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    (Original post by Quantex)
    Unemployed, unskilled Brits need to stop *****ing about migrants and learn from them. We don't live in some socialist fantasy where you get a job just because of your nationality. You've got to earn it in a competitive labour market. The advantage migrants have is obvious, they are willing to migrant to find employment. Maybe Brits should be willing to show the same level of initiative and be willing to move to where there are jobs, rather than expecting employment to come to them.
    I really wish more people had this level of intelligence. Amen.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    So the market is functioning.... The market just has one less barrier. Protectionist borders.
    The job market is now European, it is functioning at this level. Unskilled Poles are much better paid in the UK than in Poland... at the expense of low skilled Brits who can't move elsewhere.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    If nobody wants them, it's because these jobs aren't paid enough. In a functional labour market, salaries would go up until people are willing to work for that wage.

    The problem is that employers can import people from another country at no cost to work for a wage under what is acceptable for this effort.

    Not everybody can do a skilled job. We shouldn't complain at poor people who don't want to do menial jobs on minimum wage all their life.

    Before the 80s, most of them worked in the mines, in large factories, or in the fields; now the former two have closed and Poles work in the latter. Just imagine the distress of these people.
    I grew up in Sheffield in the 1980s amongst striking miners and massive steel works employing thousands closing down. People who worked in those jobs had to retrain or stay on the dole. Most people retrained because they didn't want to live on handouts. They didn't whine and complain other people took their jobs, they got on with it so they could feed their families.
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    I don't see why you're any more entitled to a job than an immigrant. If you can't out compete them, you don't deserve the job.
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    What if immigrants actually work extremely hard (like my parents) and work as doctors and pay thousands of pounds worth of tax????????
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    (Original post by Josb)
    The job market is now European, it is functioning at this level. Unskilled Poles are much better paid in the UK than in Poland... at the expense of low skilled Brits who can't move elsewhere.
    There is not a set number of jobs in the economy, the number of jobs increase with economic activity. If Brits can't get jobs in traditional areas, they have to increase their search area and get more skills.

    You seem to think immigrants are given jobs by British employers for no good reason when in fact, they have to show they can do the job just like any other applicant.
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    (Original post by GCSEstudentt)
    What if immigrants actually work extremely hard (like my parents) and work as doctors and pay thousands of pounds worth of tax????????
    Good for them. They are doing so much to our economy, sadly a lot of people are just too stupid and oblivious to understand that immigrants are not just "taking our jawbs".
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    (Original post by Maker)
    There is not a set number of jobs in the economy, the number of jobs increase with economic activity. If Brits can't get jobs in traditional areas, they have to increase their search area and get more skills.
    Not everybody can do that.

    (Original post by Maker)
    You seem to think immigrants are given jobs by British employers for no good reason when in fact, they have to show they can do the job just like any other applicant.
    Oh, there is a very good reason: they are cheaper. Skills are exactly not relevant when speaking of low skilled jobs.
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    Good for them. They are doing so much to our economy, sadly a lot of people are just too stupid and oblivious to understand that immigrants are not just "taking our jawbs".
    (Original post by GCSEstudentt)
    What if immigrants actually work extremely hard (like my parents) and work as doctors and pay thousands of pounds worth of tax????????
    Most people who criticise immigration have nothing against doctors or high skilled migrants. Jesus Christ. I feel it's pointless to repeat that again and again..
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Most people who criticise immigration have nothing against doctors or high skilled migrants. Jesus Christ. I feel it's pointless to repeat that again and again..
    I doubt that. You probably don't, but a lot of people do.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Not everybody can do that.


    Oh, there is a very good reason: they are cheaper. Skills are exactly not relevant when speaking of low skilled jobs.
    You have obviously never hired anyone, its pointless getting a cheap worker if they can't do the job because they don't have the skills or they have a bad attitude.

    Cost is just one factor in hiring someone, they need to be punctual, have a good work attitude, work hard and have the skills. If they don't have those things, they are dead weight and not worth bothering with.
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    (Original post by ManmoreAlpha)
    Why is the Remain camp saying that leavers worrying about immigrants "taking our jobs" is racist?I work as a PT and dont worry about Europeans coming in to replace me. However, there aren't enough low skilled jobs in the UK

    http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/201...t-enough-jobs/
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...people-4205233

    There are vacancies in things like nursing but not everyone can train to be a nurse.

    Why cant this country have jobs for its own people first? Uncontrolled immigration (letting in EU people with no jobs) means its harder for working class British people to find work. People on benefits, or younger people with no work experience. Also, some employers are crooked and hire people from Eastern Europe who they pay under the minimum wage, or make them work illegal hours bc they dont know their rights.
    Boston was the area that voted most strongly for Leave. The borough has a population of 66,500. Do you know how many unemployed young people there are in the place?

    75

    This is a town whose population is rising by more than 600 a year. There a fewer than a hundred young people without jobs.
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    (Original post by ManmoreAlpha)
    Why cant this country have jobs for its own people first?
    I agree with your sentiment completely. But why is it that UK people won't apply for low paid jobs in the first place? And we blame immigrants for taking our jobs, but we let the British employers who employ them off scot-free. Why is that? Surely we are partly responsible no?

    Personally, I have little sympathy for Brits who complain about others taking their jobs. The jobs are there. They are either too lazy to apply and work or not prepared to obtain the correct skills to do those jobs. We have a nursing crisis. Why can't more Brits be trained?
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    (Original post by Josb)
    The job market is now European, it is functioning at this level. Unskilled Poles are much better paid in the UK than in Poland... at the expense of low skilled Brits who can't move elsewhere.
    So?

    I thought you were all for markets. Yet when it comes to this you go all protectionist.

    If you want to be a libertarian you have be for looser borders, not stronger ones.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Most people who criticise immigration have nothing against doctors or high skilled migrants. Jesus Christ. I feel it's pointless to repeat that again and again..
    Either immigrants are doing the jobs Brits don't want, or they're all geniuses with over 9,000 PhD's and 7 figure net worths who are adding to this country in ways beyond which stupid Brits could never dream. Mindless self-contradiction is just off the scale. :rofl:
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    If someone can contribute I couldn't care less if they're from Peru or Peckham. My issue is with the majority who don't. If you aren't a British national and you aren't in full time work earning at least 25k, then you shouldn't be allowed in as far as i'm concerned.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Surprising that low skilled worked voted Leave, innit?

    People don't complain about high-skilled migrants. It always bugs me that immigration is often portrayed as a single bloc.
    I don't believe that people should complain about low-skilled migrants either. It is still fairly surprising in one sense that low-skilled natives voted to leave, because although immigration does affect their job prospects, it's still not a significant driver of lack of employment for them.

    It's much easier to blame one's employment and financial troubles on immigrants, though, so in that sense it isn't surprising.
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    I dont hear anybody complaining about foreigners taking jobs. I hear them more complaining they're changing our communities and committing crimes.
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    The progressive middle classes are all about individualism when we're talking about ethnic British working classes, who should be forced to compete on a global market, but they're more than happy to tell the wealthiest that we live in a collective society and that they should not avoid tax, even if they can do so legally. If I were running this country I would screw the middle classes so hard; their children would real in the humiliation, shoved down to the level of blue collar working classes and forced to look at themselves in the mirror and realise that there is nothing separating them from the people for which they show scorn.
 
 
 
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