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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    I guess he is referring to things like the various consumer protection measures implemented by the EU and employment rights.
    The ones in British law before the EU directives and to a greater extent than said directives, those protections?

    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Then you will understand the importance of exports and balance of trade.

    Whats your empircal evidence?

    Shouldnt we be focusing on the place where we currently do business and upon which jobs depend?
    I can restate is as much as you like:
    The EU being slow and ineffective with any country with even a bit of clout, Singapore took the EU years, took everybody else less than 18 months, and there are several things being held up now by irrelevant matters. Talks with the EU are slow and even when over there is no guarantee nobody will hold it to ransom. With the VP of one of the Chinese think tanks under the Chamber of Commerce talking of frustration of trying to work with the EU.

    And I would say the more prudent action would be to concentrate on tomorrow's market, not todays. The majority of jobs are domestic, but if we look at EU vs non-EU trade we see contraction of EU exports by about 0.7% on average per year for 2008-15, vs an average of 7.7% growth for just the top 10 export markets outside the EU, these trends would have the two within about a billion of each other this year and the top 10 non EU growing their lead over the EU by about £10bn p/a. Imports for both groups increased an average of 2.5% p/a over the same period
    https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statisti...al-Tables.aspx

    If we follow the long term trends we see by the end of the next decade our exports to the rest of the world (minus NA) to be greater than to the EU, and not long after that NA also exceeding the EU figure
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Then you will understand the importance of exports and balance of trade.

    Whats your empircal evidence?

    Shouldnt we be focusing on the place where we currently do business and upon which jobs depend?
    It is a graph with lines drawn on

    hahahahahaha
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The ones in British law before the EU directives and to a greater extent than said directives, those protections?
    No I imagine he was referring to the ones which were not part of British law, or where the EU improved existing domestic laws.
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    (Original post by Napp)
    Not to mention its that team of negotiators who sold us up the creek with TPP which is widely loathed by us.
    Exactly, but that's what this Brexit vote was: a coup of the governing Tory party by free market fundamentalists.
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    If India actually saw half the crap the British media (and people) put out about it, they would probably tell the UK to go f itself.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    We can create our own protection by building new relationships with other countries. This matters more than giving our democracy, law and border control to EU leaders. Stop worrying mate. We can do this.
    No-one likes us. Most of us don't even like us.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    It is a graph with lines drawn on

    hahahahahaha
    This is where we export to. Seems pretty crazy to be banging on about singapore and ignoring our existing markets as well as the importants in protecting them.

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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    No free trade without free movement.
    That is their opening negotiating stance.

    If they don't make pragmatic compromises there will be n awful lot of German and French jobs lost. And Merkel and Holland are facing elections in 2017!

    Can you see the fear in their eyes?

    And if they don't do a deal f### em. They can bring the EU down if they want, which is what will happen...

    We import a lot more from them than we export. Looks like Cassandra may have trouble finding some Camembert in Islington Waitrose in that event though. Awwww!

    We need to play hardball. Look what Turkey achieved with this dysfunctional, weak bunch of pussies.
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    (Original post by generallee)
    That is their opening negotiating stance.

    If they don't make pragmatic compromises there will be n awful lot of German and French jobs lost. And Merkel and Holland are facing elections in 2017!

    Can you see the fear in their eyes?

    And if they don't do a deal f### em. They can bring the EU down if they want, which is what will happen...

    We import a lot more from them than we export. Looks like Cassandra may have trouble finding some Camembert in Islington Waitrose in that even though. Awwww!

    We need to play hardball. Look what Turkey achieved with this dysfunctional, weak bunch of pussies.

    Yawn. Same old *******s.

    Get back to me when something is actually done.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Yawn. Same old *******s.

    Get back to me when something is actually done.
    Something actually HAS been done! We voted to leave the EU!!

    Didn't you notice, it was all over the TV and everything?

    If there is anything yawn inspiring it is your treasonous attempts to talk the country down. You guys are balls achingly negative.

    Admit it, you want Brexit to fail so as to have been proved right, don't you?

    Why do you hate your own country so much?
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    (Original post by generallee)
    Something actually HAS been done! We voted to leave the EU!!

    Didn't you notice, it was all over the TV and everything?

    If there is anything yawn inspiring it is your treasonous attempts to talk the country down. You guys are balls achingly negative.

    Admit it, you want Brexit to fail so as to have been proved right, don't you?

    Why do you hate your own country so much?
    Lol.

    I am not sure if you are running a comedy routine here.

    Let me know when the EU actually say that there will be Free trade without free movement ( there won't be).

    I don't even understand why you care so much anyway. You don't care that the country is going to a recession and that inflation is going to increase anyway
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    (Original post by generallee)
    Something actually HAS been done! We voted to leave the EU!!

    Didn't you notice, it was all over the TV and everything?

    If there is anything yawn inspiring it is your treasonous attempts to talk the country down. You guys are balls achingly negative.

    Admit it, you want Brexit to fail so as to have been proved right, don't you?

    Why do you hate your own country so much?
    I 100% agree.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    It is a graph with lines drawn on

    hahahahahaha
    reminder this person lied about being a doctor
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    (Original post by EuanF)
    reminder this person lied about being a doctor
    Why past tense?

    I am still lying about being a Doctor.
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    (Original post by generallee)
    That is their opening negotiating stance.

    If they don't make pragmatic compromises there will be n awful lot of German and French jobs lost. And Merkel and Holland are facing elections in 2017!

    Can you see the fear in their eyes? *
    Germany and France don't get the final say. Every member state has to agree -and many will absolutely refuse to budge on freedom of movement.*

    Not to mention that it is one of the fundamental principles of the EU. It isn't something which will just be let go of for our sake. *
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    (Original post by gladders)
    'Hey India, we ignored your advice to stay in the EU, so how about we make a deal, eh?

    Oh, and the main reason you trade with us before - being a gateway to the Single Market - is gone. So how about that deal?'
    Hey India want to make a trade deal with your commonwealth partner and 5th largest economy in the world....?

    Fail


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    (Original post by Napp)
    True but these countries have little incentive to treat on good terms or stay on them in the event of a trade war for instance, we make up a couple of % of global trade the EU is the biggest market... We have no guarentees now.
    To be honest Id rather they be in EU hands than follow the american model where the consumer has no rights what so ever.. my prime example is the EU giving us a mandatory 2yr warranty which is excellent for apple products which break daily..
    Nope the European Union is the third largest market post brexit and we are the fifth


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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Lol.

    Yes. Let's reduce trade with the most educated and the 2nd richest continent on the planet and trade with the poorest. Sounds like good a good idea.
    Our trade with eu nations has dropped 10% in a decade with the European Union and its a stagnant economy the growth in trade to be tapped into is elsewhere


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    (Original post by paul514)
    Our trade with eu nations has dropped 10% in a decade with the European Union and its a stagnant economy the growth in trade to be tapped into is elsewhere


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    Thanks for the propaganda piece.

    I mean Germany's exports to the Non-EU have also grown as well, so maybe they should leave.

    Let's flood the UK with more cheap Chinese steel.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Thanks for the propaganda piece.

    I mean Germany's exports to the Non-EU have also grown as well, so maybe they should leave.

    Let's flood the UK with more cheap Chinese steel.
    It's fact not propaganda


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