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    (Original post by Trill)
    Who let a 100+ year old woman vote?

    Think it's quite sad that us young people are having to live with the consequences of the older generation's majority vote.
    You may live to thank her for exercising her democratic right in a way that makes your future better. You can be no more sure your crystal ball is better than hers.
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    (Original post by Sephiroth)
    So let's get this straight. 18-24 turnout was 36% of eligable voters and of those 75% voted remain. This means only 27% of 18-24s voted to remain.

    When you factor in a large portion of those will have voted out of fear of change rather than actually knowing a damn thing about the EU I would bet we're down to single digits. I mean the highest EU related search term after the referendum was "what is the EU?". If you don't know what the EU is then it's a tragedy that you got to vote on it.

    So please, no more whining about older people screwing over the young.
    No. A previous analysis (SkyData) said 18-24 turnout was 36%. This one (Opinium/LSE) says it was 64%.

    A separate poll (YouGov) says they voted 74% remain.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    No. A previous analysis (SkyData) said 18-24 turnout was 36%. This one (Opinium/LSE) says it was 64%.

    A separate poll (YouGov) says they voted 74% remain.
    The 64% figure is for people registered to vote, not all 18-24 year olds which is where the 36% came from.

    Even if they both are in fact measuring the same thing you then have two different sources giving very different figures so why believe either?
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    (Original post by Sephiroth)
    The 64% figure is for people registered to vote, not all 18-24 year olds which is where the 36% came from.

    Even if they both are in fact measuring the same thing you then have two different sources giving very different figures so why believe either?
    No. The 36% was SkyData's analysis of turnout. They are measuring the same thing.
    https://twitter.com/skydata/status/746700869656256512

    And yes your last point is valid.

    But at least this challenges the established view that the young didn't vote...
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    64% of people registered to vote is still pretty pathetic.

    I'd like to see data on the proportion of 18-24 year olds registered to vote as against other age brackets.
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    (Original post by tanyapotter)
    I'm not too bothered. The old people will be wiped off the face of this earth soon enough, and we'll find a way to make this work.
    and when they are gone, you will be the 'old person'

    And the young generation will complain about how you are ruining their future/their lives..

    And you will realize that your initial belief that your generation would be different from your parents generation was just the innocence of youth, and that in reality the cycle continues.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    64% of people registered to vote is still pretty pathetic.

    I'd like to see data on the proportion of 18-24 year olds registered to vote as against other age brackets.
    Average was 72%, so not far off.
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    (Original post by fallen_acorns)
    and when they are gone, you will be the 'old person'

    And the young generation will complain about how you are ruining their future/their lives..

    And you will realize that your initial belief that your generation would be different from your parents generation was just the innocence of youth, and that in reality the cycle continues.
    Why such a pessimistic view of the future? Brexit voters at it with ProjectFear once again?
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Average was 72%, so not far off.
    Still far lower than the oldest voters, by whom much of the youth vote claims to be oppressed.

    I'm far less interested myself in the registered voter turnout than in the eligible voter turnout. Obviously not bothering to register to vote is just as effective a way of not having your opinion counted as just not bothering to turn up on the day. I'd be prepared to speculate that registration figures for the youth vote were substantially lower, too.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    Still far lower than the oldest voters, by whom much of the youth vote claims to be oppressed.

    I'm far less interested myself in the registered voter turnout than in the eligible voter turnout. Obviously not bothering to register to vote is just as effective a way of not having your opinion counted as just not bothering to turn up on the day. I'd be prepared to speculate that registration figures for the youth vote were substantially lower, too.
    The % registered info is in my posts above.

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    (Original post by tanyapotter)
    My parents and grandparents are all immigrants. My parents did the right thing and voted to remain. Did yours? Probably not, since they made someone like you
    Aaaaaaaaaaah, the my parents are better than your parents argument of last resort.

    Mine have all been "wiped off the face of the earth" so unable to vote to ruin your future
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    (Original post by Trill)
    Who let a 100+ year old woman vote?

    Think it's quite sad that us young people are having to live with the consequences of the older generation's majority vote.


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    100 plus year old woman what's she ever done for this country.....


    You could t make it up


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    (Original post by tanyapotter)
    I'm not too bothered. The old people will be wiped off the face of this earth soon enough, and we'll find a way to make this work.
    Disgusting.
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    (Original post by viffer)
    Aaaaaaaaaaah, the my parents are better than your parents argument of last resort.

    Mine have all been "wiped off the face of the earth" so unable to vote to ruin your future
    Just report her. Her posts are horrible, insulting and highly personal.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    No. The 36% was SkyData's analysis of turnout. They are measuring the same thing.
    https://twitter.com/skydata/status/746700869656256512
    That is not what I call 'analysis'. It was effectively a guesstimate which got passed round without any kind of reasoned assessment. It was previously debunked by the New Statesman and now by the LSE study.
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    Just report her. Her posts are horrible, insulting and highly personal.
    But that would stop her making an even bigger a**e of herself.
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    (Original post by tanyapotter)
    My parents and grandparents are all immigrants. My parents did the right thing and voted to remain. Did yours? Probably not, since they made someone like you
    How old are you?
    Either you're a troll or you're about 12, too young to vote. Your posts come across as very immature and petty
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    (Original post by ageshallnot)
    That is not what I call 'analysis'. It was effectively a guesstimate which got passed round without any kind of reasoned assessment. It was previously debunked by the New Statesman and now by the LSE study.
    I'm not sure NS really debunked it.

    Their original query about it was
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...-eu-referendum

    But later this NS article perpetuated the "young didn't vote" narrative.
    http://www.newstatesman.com/2016/07/...tem-fails-them

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    (Original post by viffer)
    But that would stop her making an even bigger a**e of herself.
    Trust me, I don't think that's possible.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    I'm not sure NS really debunked it.

    There original query about it was
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...-eu-referendum

    But later this NS article perpetuated the "young didn't vote" narrative.
    http://www.newstatesman.com/2016/07/...tem-fails-them

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    I had only seen the first article originally. I've read the second now and while the author isn't actively reinforcing the 36% myth, I can see why it might be interpreted that way. She is trying to gain traction for her angle that it was 'the system' which discouraged the young from voting - therefore it is in her interest not to reject it outright. Hence she says 'Let's say, for the sake of argument, that young turnout was as low as estimates suggest. Can this really be said to be an indictment of young people, or is it really an indictment of a system that alienates them utterly?' She is using a statistic to make her own argument look more powerful, even though she probably knows that figure to be false.
 
 
 
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