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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Probably not for me, there's little alternative unless Ukip changes tack. I may be willing to compramise my principles for practicality but i couldn't actually vote for the left be that Farron's Lib Dem's or Corbyn's Labour, at heart i'm still a man of the right.
    What about a party of the moderate centre with over a hundred seats, with a sizeable faction led by Kendall and Umunna?

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    (Original post by L i b)
    Yeah, there's no way Farron's Lib Dems hold any attractions for me either. I'd sooner vote for a moderate Labour leader like Dan Jarvis.

    I liked the Coalition and had a lot of time for Nick Clegg, but the Lib Dems have ended up returning to being a smug, inward-looking, left-wing, anti-war, anti-reality bunch of tosspots.
    I agree with some of that, but to their credit Farron and co voted strongly for air strikes and Farron, although I'm uncomfortable with his evangelical nonsense has been a reasonable leader. See what I said to Rakas- I'd imagine Jarvis would join that too.
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    (Original post by IronicalMan)
    That question just goes to show it doesn't dignify an answer.
    Encourage degenerative behaviour.
    How so?
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Yeah, there's no way Farron's Lib Dems hold any attractions for me either. I'd sooner vote for a moderate Labour leader like Dan Jarvis.

    I liked the Coalition and had a lot of time for Nick Clegg, but the Lib Dems have ended up returning to being a smug, inward-looking, left-wing, anti-war, anti-reality bunch of tosspots.
    Agreed. I don't know much about Jarvis however if they could find a third way candidate (Blairite for those reading who don't know) then i could accept that.

    As did i and when i was considering jumping ship in 2013 i almost made the plunge for the Orange Bookers, it's unfortunate that the Lib Dems denounced most of the coalition and made themselves 'equidistant' as the election neared. Credit to Cameron and Osbourne, they lavished nothing but praise on the coalition.

    (Original post by Davij038)
    What about a party of the moderate centre with over a hundred seats, with a sizeable faction led by Kendall and Umunna?

    If it was led by Kendall and Umuna then it would'nt be a party of the center left now would it.

    I'd consider them if they avoided pandering to the base on big issues.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    The Conservative Party is on probation with me at the moment. I have problems enough with Theresa May - regressive policies on drugs, anti-immigration rhetoric, nonsensee comments about people being allowed to stay in this country because they have a cat, those ****ing "Go Home" vans.
    Yeah, Ken Clarke made me laugh at PMQS with his wager to her that nobody has been refused deportation in the grounds of having a cat. He's voting for her though!

    Additionally, she's also responsible for a review into shariah courts which seems to be a despicable whitewash. Whilst she does seem less maniacal than Leadsom I think she'll be a terrible leader.

    But yes, I think it's fairly safe to say that if Leadsom comes in I'll be considering my membership. I'm unsure as yet whether it's better to be fighting from inside or out. I've seen a lot of friends I respect in Labour remain firm while their party is torn apart by Corbyn and his allies - standing up against the worst excesses and trying to win the party back to a sensible, moderate approach. That's what's keeping me from committing to leaving now - I look at their example, fighting for a decades-old movement, and do admire them for it.
    And look at the success they're having! At the moment it's more accepted to be a Stalinist than a blairite in the party,


    But let's put it this way, I couldn't in good faith go door to door and suggest Leadsom is a Prime Minister worth voting for. There will come a point where Leadsom may well expose the inherent weakness of the Conservatives as a vehicle for putting in place a rational, liberal, centre-right government. At that point, I'll be gone - but it will be with a huge amount of sadness.
    Labour and the Conservative partys are becoming genuine socialist and conservative movements it appears- as liberal 'insurgents' such as yourself will be discovering!

    Dan Hidges notes that when campaigning for Britain to stay iin the EU prominent tories and labour M&S noted how well they got on, even more so than with members of the same party in the other side.

    See my thread about a realignment of British politics!
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    I heard that she highlighted Theresa May's infertility as a reason to why she's the better candidate... I'm backing Theresa on that reason alone
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    (Original post by Marshall Taylor)
    I heard that she highlighted Theresa May's infertility as a reason to why she's the better candidate... I'm backing Theresa on that reason alone
    I see nothing wrong with what she said in the interview, I think the Times were spinning the interview in a context which was not what she meant. She was making a point that being a mother means that your actions would involve influencing the future of one's children. If you read the question you can see that she was simply answering the question.

    She had also repeatedly made it clear that she did not want this in any way a feature of the campaign. She's asked the Times to provide the full transcript but they strangely refused to do so.


    Rachel Sylvester: "Do you feel like a mum in politics?"

    Andrea Leadsom: "Yes. So...

    RS: "Why and how?"

    AL: "So really carefully because I am sure, I don't really know Theresa very well but I am sure she will be really really sad she doesn't have children so I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible.

    "But genuinely I feel being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake.

    "She possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children, who are going to have children, who will directly be a part of what happens next.

    "So it really keeps you focused on 'what are you really saying?'. Because what it means is you don't want a downturn but 'never mind, let's look ahead to the ten years', hence it will all be fine. My children will be starting their lives in that next ten years so I have a real stake in the next year, the next two."
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    No. I don't support Brexiters or patriotism.

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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Labour and the Conservative partys are becoming genuine socialist and conservative movements it appears- as liberal 'insurgents' such as yourself will be discovering!
    Yeah, potentially. We've had it too good for too long with Cameron, it appears!

    Dan Hidges notes that when campaigning for Britain to stay iin the EU prominent tories and labour M&S noted how well they got on, even more so than with members of the same party in the other side.

    See my thread about a realignment of British politics!
    No surprise there. The Better Together campaign in Scotland had a similar effect, largely staffed and backed by the moderates from the Conservatives, Labour and the Lib Dems.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    As we saw with the SDP and to a lesser degree Ukip, although you get that initial surge the FPTP will squeeze you out long enough to lose momentum and in the end the big two parties persist.
    Two people did for the SDP; General Galtieri and David Owen. Without the former's invasion of the Falklands and the latter's overweening vanity the SDP could have become a major political force.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    Two people did for the SDP; General Galtieri and David Owen. Without the former's invasion of the Falklands and the latter's overweening vanity the SDP could have become a major political force.
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    (Original post by CherishFreedom)
    I see nothing wrong with what she said in the interview, I think the Times were spinning the interview in a context which was not what she meant. She was making a point that being a mother means that your actions would involve influencing the future of one's children. If you read the question you can see that she was simply answering the question.

    She had also repeatedly made it clear that she did not want this in any way a feature of the campaign. She's asked the Times to provide the full transcript but they strangely refused to do so.


    Rachel Sylvester: "Do you feel like a mum in politics?"

    Andrea Leadsom: "Yes. So...

    RS: "Why and how?"

    AL: "So really carefully because I am sure, I don't really know Theresa very well but I am sure she will be really really sad she doesn't have children so I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible.

    "But genuinely I feel being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake.

    "She possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children, who are going to have children, who will directly be a part of what happens next.

    "So it really keeps you focused on 'what are you really saying?'. Because what it means is you don't want a downturn but 'never mind, let's look ahead to the ten years', hence it will all be fine. My children will be starting their lives in that next ten years so I have a real stake in the next year, the next two."
    Just because she has children, doesn't make her the better political candidate - which is what she is trying to subtly suggest.
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    May is an evil woman who's main aim in life is to make herself look better, she bullied the Telegraph into removing an article against her and is a generally evil woman. I support Leadsom all the way, and at the same time I say Corbyn is a great guy and he needs to remain as the head of labour. He actually stands for Labour not some pallid version of a brown-nosing conservative government like that of Tony Blair.
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    Leadsom to 'quit Tory leadership bid' -
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36763208

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    Neil beat me to it. Now that means a guaranteed remainer in charge of Brexit. This motherhood argument was really capitalised on and there seems to have been enough infighting to put her off. Bet this will rumble on long after Teresa becomes PM. Cons infighting, Labour in meltdown. What a mess politics in this country is.
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    If she can't even stand up to a bit of media controversy then she'd make a terrible PM.

    Hopefully Leadsom quitting means May will keep us in the single market now.
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    The corrupt media, journalists and politicians made harsh accusations against her to "oust her" out of the election. She should have stayed strong and kept going.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    The corrupt media, journalists and politicians made harsh accusations against her to "oust her" out of the election. She should have stayed strong and kept going.
    Harsh accusations? Like when they said she said something and she said she didn't, and they had a recording of her saying it? :rofl:
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Neil beat me to it. Now that means a guaranteed remainer in charge of Brexit. This motherhood argument was really capitalised on and there seems to have been enough infighting to put her off. Bet this will rumble on long after Teresa becomes PM. Cons infighting, Labour in meltdown. What a mess politics in this country is.
    Why will the Tories continue the infighting. She only got the support of 80 MP's and half of those probably don't mind May.
 
 
 
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