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    (Original post by mercuryman)
    You must be having a laugh. Have you not read in the news what Buddhists are doing to Muslims in Burma?
    Every religion has extremists, don't be so ignorant.
    but again it is muslims starting the problems not the Buddhists

    we are noting a pattern here
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    (Original post by ZolaCFC25)
    Are you being serious? Hate deaths do happen, but the issue here is alienation which is causing angry people to do stupid things. If we're serious about tackling terrorism, then we have to tackle the underlying alienation that is causing the home-grown terror threat. Integration is critical, and people hating you because you believe in a God, or some other God, or look like they do, really doesn't help matters.
    You seem to be deflecting that the issue is islam here primarily.
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    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    You seem to be deflecting that the issue is islam here primarily.
    It is not. It is about culture and how people act, rather than a the religion. People choose how to act out their lives. Compare the Qu'ran and the Old Testament. They are strikingly similar. You can't attack Islam as a religion without attacking Christianity. It is not the root cause and attacking everyone who calls themselves a Muslim is counter-productive and will make matters far worse. It is human nature. Terrorism is political.
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    The politically inspired word 'Islamophobia' is null and void for the following basic reason.

    A 'phobia' is an 'irrational' fear. To fear Islam is anything but irrational when one considers the all too frequent, brutal acts of terror acts done in it's name.
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    (Original post by ZolaCFC25)
    It is not. It is about culture and how people act, rather than a the religion. People choose how to act out their lives. Compare the Qu'ran and the Old Testament. They are strikingly similar. You can't attack Islam as a religion without attacking Christianity. It is not the root cause and attacking everyone who calls themselves a Muslim is counter-productive and will make matters far worse. It is human nature. Terrorism is political.
    The enlightenment happened, and atheism has happened. The Ottoman Empire didn't survive long enough to spread these ideas quickly enough. Christianity in the west is docile. Islam in the middle east simply hasn't.

    Islamic terrorism works to try and implement RELIGIOUS LAW, or Sharia.
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    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    The enlightenment happened, and atheism has happened. The Ottoman Empire didn't survive long enough to spread these ideas quickly enough. Christianity in the west is docile. Islam in the middle east simply hasn't.

    Islamic terrorism works to try and implement RELIGIOUS LAW, or Sharia.
    Not all Muslims want to implement it, even fewer want to implement it in its entirety. Many still call themselves Muslims but want to live the Western way. The Qu'ran even tells people to live under the law of the land. You can twist a religion anyway you want.
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    (Original post by ZolaCFC25)
    Not all Muslims want to implement it, even fewer want to implement it in its entirety. Many still call themselves Muslims but want to live the Western way. The Qu'ran even tells people to live under the law of the land. You can twist a religion anyway you want.
    Of course they don't, but Islam itself states that it does.

    So what do you want to follow more, the hadiths and the Medinan portion of the Qu'ran or the Meccan portion? That is where sects are created.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    but again it is muslims starting the problems not the Buddhists

    we are noting a pattern here
    The history in Myanmar is a lot more complicated than that. In the case of Myanmar, I don't think we can solely lay the blame upon the Muslims.
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    (Original post by ZolaCFC25)
    It is not. It is about culture and how people act, rather than a the religion. People choose how to act out their lives. Compare the Qu'ran and the Old Testament. They are strikingly similar. You can't attack Islam as a religion without attacking Christianity. It is not the root cause and attacking everyone who calls themselves a Muslim is counter-productive and will make matters far worse. It is human nature. Terrorism is political.
    They're not strikingly similar at all! They are totally different in many ways. Consider the style, the audience, the narrative, the object, the writer. The authorship of the Quran used the Judeo-Christian scriptures to fashion a potent political ideology. It uses known figures from the Old Testament and in some cases makes errors of identity. Christianity is founded on Christ who taught the principle of unconditional love regardless of gender, race, creed. If one studies the life of Islam's prophet Mohammad and learns about the nature of the scripture and how Muslims are urged to live and think, then it isn't difficult to see that its quite a different animal altogether. Judaism and Christianity are much closer than Islam is to either. Their history is linked and Christ was a Jew whose higher wisdom challenged the hypocrisies held by the clerical authorities of the day in Jerusalem . There is a natural link between the two. There is no such link between Islam and the former two religions mentioned.
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    (Original post by Marco1)
    The politically inspired word 'Islamophobia' is null and void for the following basic reason.

    A 'phobia' is an 'irrational' fear. To fear Islam is anything but irrational when one considers the all too frequent, brutal acts of terror acts done in it's name.
    :yawn: yes, yes the word is Islamophobia is politically incorrect.
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    If Muslims turn to blowing people up because they feel 'alienated and isolated' then I think that just exposes a problem that already existed.
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    If the reaction to "intolerance" of a medieval violent religion, as well as criticising it or naming it as a cause of previous actions is to cause more violence, then said religion/cult is problematic. Islam is the problem. Deal with it.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    If Muslims turn to blowing people up because they feel 'alienated and isolated' then I think that just exposes a problem that already existed.
    If that were even true, going to the extremes of blowing yourself up because of a problem is the problem.*
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    Because they were never wanted here in the first place

    Why would they?

    We as Europeans gain nothing from this, we lose everything

    Maybe if you weren't so good at using Islamophobia and racism against us then we could have opposed it
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    Ye's he's clearly the problem.

    Not ISIS the death cult and their legions of supporters
    Not the various other terrorist groups in the world
    Not the poisonous ideology of wahhabism
    Not the ridiculously ambiguous qu'ran and its more warped interpretations
    Not the reluctance of governments to do anything for fear of being seen as islamophobic

    No, the guy posting his disagreement with Islam on TSR is the cause of global terrorism.

    You imbecile
    I said he was the problem AS WELL AS people who mis-interpret Islam. Are you sure you fully read what I typed because I'm questioning whether or not you understood it.
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    You have got to be kidding
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    (Original post by Marco1)
    They're not strikingly similar at all! They are totally different in many ways. Consider the style, the audience, the narrative, the object, the writer. The authorship of the Quran used the Judeo-Christian scriptures to fashion a potent political ideology. It uses known figures from the Old Testament and in some cases makes errors of identity. Christianity is founded on Christ who taught the principle of unconditional love regardless of gender, race, creed. If one studies the life of it's prophet Mohammad and learns about the nature of the scripture and how Muslims are urged to live and think, then it isn't difficult to see that its quite a different animal altogether. Judaism and Christianity are much closer than Islam is to either. Their history is linked and Christ was a Jew whose higher wisdom challenged the hypocrisies held by the clerical authorities of the day in Jerusalem . There is a natural link between the two. There is no such link between Islam and the former two religions mentioned.

    Ya but christians arent commiting terrorist act on a daily basis all over the world and we revised the bible with new testament to get us out of the dark ages maybe they should revise the quran to catch up with modern society
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    (Original post by SugarLand)
    Ya but christians arent commiting terrorist act on a daily basis all over the world and we revised the bible with new testament to get us out of the dark ages maybe they should revise the quran to catch up with modern society
    Certainly Christians aren't committing terrorist acts in the name of Christianity. I was addressing the particular point in bold text regarding the nature of the religions, not their social effects. I don't think the Old Testament 'was revised'. The New Testament is a later development focusing on the figure of Christ, not a revision of the Old Testament. Judaic scripture is very rich indeed if viewed in context. The philosophical depth and the poetic beauty of the storytelling provides much for worthwhile contemplation of the human condition, e.g. The Book of Job, Ecclesiastes, Proverbs, Isaiah, to name just three. The Jewish people have academically contributed enormously to the advancement of humankind, perhaps more than any other people. Islam is about submission not about contemplation.
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    (Original post by SaveTheWest)
    Because they were never wanted here in the first place

    Why would they?

    We as Europeans gain nothing from this, we lose everything

    Maybe if you weren't so good at using Islamophobia and racism against us then we could have opposed it
    And then there is the problem of all the white leftists and liberals who are just as loud at shouting racist and Islamophobe! They too are aiding and abetting the decline of the West by silencing those who oppose them. They side with evil in order to promote their bankrupt political ideology, rather than allow the discussion on Islamic terrorism. They shout racist and Islamophobe to silence opposition. They have no proper arguments, just political slurs to ridicule and demonise. Islamists disgust me and so does the Marxist Left and liberals, because they are determined to undermine all that is visionary, elevating, heroic and inspiring about Western culture. Islamists and the Left are using each other to overthrow democracy and destroy everything. I'm an optimist. I don't think they will win. There will be a huge public awakening and re-ordering. It will mean much blood and tears and a mighty war. I think it has come to that unfortunately. Freedom however, is worth fighting and dying for.
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    (Original post by ZolaCFC25)
    The Qu'ran even tells people to live under the law of the land.
    No it doesn't. This is another one of those often-repeated myths, like "the Quran forbids killing".
 
 
 
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