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Emergency Statement from Acting Foreign Secretary on behalf of Her Majesty's Govt. Watch

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    Woo, let's go shrink the Lords then. Quamquam123 Shadow Reform Sec, perhaps we can get drafting?
    I'll see what I can do.
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    I seem to remember circa the Socialists' Palestine Bill, many members of the current government said it was inappropriate for us to be casting judgment on questions of sovereignty abroad. What's changed?
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    I respond as follows;

    I strongly oppose the governments choice of action, by all accounts, the coup is essentially over, any response would be too late.

    Turkeys civil action poses no immediate threat to the UK, so doesn't meet the requirement for foreign intervention.

    Erdogan may represent values which we oppose, but he was democratically elected by the people of Turkey (and I don't recall any members objecting to his reelection) the people of Turkey also obeyed his requests for protest, seemingly the UK Govt view doesn't represent the will of Turkey.

    The UK, and the EU should bear responsibility for the instability within Turkey as it is likely that relationships with Syrian refugees, used by the EU as a negotiating tactic for EU membership, contributed to the crisis.

    Good idea for a response, but horribly misguided.

    Does the TSR govt disagree with the UK govt then about granting Erdogan asylum in London?*
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    Counter Statement from the Office of the Shadow Foreign Office

    The official opposition does not concur with the actions of the Government. Despite his views, President Erdogan was elected democratically, in accordance with international law. This is no basis for the invocation of the Responsibility to Protect Report (ICISS) in order to justify a breach of sovereign rule and even so military intervention remains illegal under Article 2 clause 4 of the UN Charter.

    While I strongly condemn the actions of President Erdogan - this situation much be traversed peacefully and without unnecessary military intervention.

    It is on this basis that I implore the Government to not continue on its present course - and explore the better, more decent avenues of dialogue and response management.
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    (Original post by DanE1998)
    Counter Statement from the Office of the Shadow Foreign Office

    The official opposition does not concur with the actions of the Government. Despite his views, President Erdogan was elected democratically, in accordance with international law. This is no basis for the invocation of the Responsibility to Protect Report (ICISS) in order to justify a breach of sovereign rule and even so military intervention remains illegal under Article 2 clause 4 of the UN Charter.

    While I strongly condemn the actions of President Erdogan - this situation much be traversed peacefully and without unnecessary military intervention.

    It is on this basis that I implore the Government to not continue on its present course - and explore the better, more decent avenues of dialogue and response management.
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    Yay, let's write a tiny bit really late.
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    Saracen's Fez Mr Speaker please rule on whether or not this is an SOI. It looks like one to me, but hasn't been labelled as such.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
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    Yay, let's write a tiny bit really late.
    I'm sorry personal commitments dictate my availability to a game cannot be to your standard, however, I believe I have dealt with the concerns of the FCO in an timely and efficient manner!
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Counter counter statement from a member of the government

    Yay, let's write a tiny bit really late.
    Have you actually stooped so low as to criticise a 113 word reply to a 176 word statement (the first paragraph of which just tells us what we've seen on the news)?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Saracen's Fez Mr Speaker please rule on whether or not this is an SOI. It looks like one to me, but hasn't been labelled as such.
    There is no stated intent to do anything other than support, so I will trust the Prime Minister, who I'm sure is aware of the SoI system and would have labelled it as such, intended for this to be a mere statement.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Saracen's Fez Mr Speaker please rule on whether or not this is an SOI. It looks like one to me, but hasn't been labelled as such.
    Does it really? It's not an SoI unless we say it is and submit it as one. This statement is equivalent to a statement responding to a model crisis.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Have you actually stooped so low as to criticise a 113 word reply to a 176 word statement (the first paragraph of which just tells us what we've seen on the news)?
    I believe he was trying to say there was no reason to submit such a short statement so late since its preparation must have taken little time. The length of the original statement is therefore irrelevant.

    (I'm not seconding, only interpreting.)
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Does it really? It's not an SoI unless we say it is and submit it as one. This statement is equivalent to a statement responding to a model crisis.
    A Department (the Foreign Office) is proposing action (supporting a new regime and negotiating safe passage for British nationals). To not call it an SOI would simply be the government trying to avoid giving weight to an awful thing it produced and no longer believes in (now wonder Petros wrestled control of the Foreign Office). I assume you know that my intention would be to send this to the division lobby where it would no doubt be squished.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    I believe he was trying to say there was no reason to submit such a short statement so late since its preparation must have taken little time. The length of the original statement is therefore irrelevant.

    (I'm not seconding, only interpreting.)
    What he is trying to do is be snide and clever when he is only being the former.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    A Department (the Foreign Office) is proposing action (supporting a new regime and negotiating safe passage for British nationals). To not call it an SOI would simply be the government trying to avoid giving weight to an awful thing it produced and no longer believes in (now wonder Petros wrestled control of the Foreign Office). I assume you know that my intention would be to send this to the division lobby where it would no doubt be squished.
    Would it really? UKIP seem to be happy with it and 21 + 7 > 25.

    Anyway, JD's appointment as Acting Foreign Secretary was only temporary since the beginning. As soon as we figured out which Liberals take which of their departments, the change was made, so no one ‘wrestled control’ as you'd like to believe.

    The government stands by the statement, although it may have been a bit premature given that it now appears it was a ruse by Erdogan's government intended to solidify his position and gain new forms of control over political opponents.

    Like I said, it's the same type of response as those to model crises, which makes your argument invalid. Moreover, if I wanted to be meticulous, I'd say we claimed the military must be supported, not that we were going to support it, and that the FO surely doesn't need your approval to ensure our citizens abroad are safely brought back to their country, does it?
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    Would it really? UKIP seem to be happy with it and 21 + 7 > 25.

    Anyway, JD's appointment as Acting Foreign Secretary was only temporary since the beginning. As soon as we figured out which Liberals take which of their departments, the change was made, so no one ‘wrestled control’ as you'd like to believe.

    The government stands by the statement, although it may have been a bit premature given that it now appears it was a ruse by Erdogan's government intended to solidify his position and gain new forms of control over political opponents.

    Like I said, it's the same type of response as those to model crises, which makes your argument invalid. Moreover, if I wanted to be meticulous, I'd say we claimed the military must be supported, not that we were going to support it, and that the FO surely doesn't need your approval to ensure our citizens abroad are safely brought back to their country, does it?
    Well if you're that confident...

    Actually I'd much prefer to believe your appointment of JD was never going to be permanent.

    Bringing back our citizens safely has my approval, whether it needs it or not. The rest of the shambles? Not so much.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Have you actually stooped so low as to criticise a 113 word reply to a 176 word statement (the first paragraph of which just tells us what we've seen on the news)?
    It has to be said though, it does follow the trend of this opposition that doesn't oppose.

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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Well if you're that confident...

    Actually I'd much prefer to believe your appointment of JD was never going to be permanent.

    Bringing back our citizens safely has my approval, whether it needs it or not. The rest of the shambles? Not so much.
    Well, if his appointment had been intended to be permanent, he wouldn't have been called Acting Foreign Secretary, would he?

    Perhaps Labour could write another one of your counter-statments to express support for Erdogan and his Islamic henchmen with ties to the IS, and send some funds their way as well. Seems like Western Europe has had few events of Islamic terrorism lately, hmm…
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    It has to be said though, it does follow the trend of this opposition that doesn't oppose.
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    The world must look awfully funny through your eyes if you think that we're not opposing you. :laugh:
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Well, if his appointment had been intended to be permanent, he wouldn't have been called Acting Foreign Secretary, would he?

    Perhaps Labour could write another one of your counter-statments to express support for Erdogan and his Islamic henchmen with ties to the IS, and send some funds their way as well. Seems like Western Europe has had few events of Islamic terrorism lately, hmm…
    There's not actually any reason why you couldn't have appointed JD regardless of what you said about a statement suggested by you, written by Rakas and submitted by JD's office.

    Is this where you call me (and the rest of the world's nations) 'terrorist-sympathisers'?
 
 
 
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