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    (Original post by GlitterandGold-x)
    I understood the question to mean "do you believe insitutional racism to be ok" rather than whether it happens or not. I agree with your point
    Sorry haha , and no.
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    As someone who is mixed race (black and white) I've seen it happen and, to a minor degree, experienced it.
    What did you experience?
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    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    What did you experience?
    Minor stuff: unsavoury stuff said to me, police acting funny with me like if they came to do some kind of workshop/talk-every year about the 'dangers' of Halloween at my school, and passive aggressive things about race while clearly directed at me during discussions. It's got better now though because my college is very mixed ethnically, but my school was predominantly white.
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    Minor stuff: unsavoury stuff said to me, police acting funny with me like if they came to do some kind of workshop/talk-every year about the 'dangers' of Halloween at my school, and passive aggressive things about race while clearly directed at me during discussions. It's got better now though because my college is very mixed ethnically, but my school was predominantly white.
    To me that sounds like just regular racism at worst, not institutional racism. I mean, the police have been a bit funny with me sometimes and I have had security follow me around shops occasionally and I'm white.
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    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    To me that sounds like just regular racism at worst, not institutional racism. I mean, the police have been a bit funny with me sometimes and I have had security follow me around shops occasionally and I'm white.
    Yeah, I still believe it exists though. And were you followed round because of people believing that 'white people are thieves', probably not.

    Also, one of my tutor's at college is an ex policeman and he treats me and anyone of colour in my class like sh*t.
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    Yeah, I still believe it exists though. And were you followed round because of people believing that 'white people are thieves', probably not.
    A good chunk are, I'll sometimes dress like a chav.
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    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    A good chunk are, I'll sometimes dress like a chav.
    LOL
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    The last thread I created raised a lot of controversy with a lot of people questioning the descriptions I used to describe each of the political positions. The descriptions weren't meant to be literal, but rather to give you an idea of the some of the principles associated with that particular political allegiance. Instead, I thought I'd create a more realistic political compass consisting of both domestic and economic policies.

    Mark yourself out of 10 and plot yourself on the graph below.

    Domestic(x/10):
    1) You believe in institutional racism and the patriarchy.
    2) You believe in gay marriage.
    3) You believe in euthanasia.
    4) You believe in restorative justice. - Depends
    5) You believe in drug decriminalisation.
    6) You believe in positive discrimination.
    7) You believe in gender equality.
    8) You believe in multiculturalism.
    9) You believe in social justice and the common good.
    10) You believe in secularism.

    Economic (x/10):
    1) You believe in the free market.
    2) You believe in less red tape and regulation.
    3) You believe in individual prosperity and "The American Dream".
    4) You believe in globalisation and transnational cooperation.
    5) You believe the minimum wage hurts businesses and employment.
    6) You believe in equality of opportunity over equality of outcome.
    7) You believe the rich are entitled to a better quality of living.
    8) You believe in small government and privatisation.
    9) You believe in a flat rate of income tax.
    10) You believe the engineer is more important than the writer.

    Attachment 566760

    Just if anyone's interested, I'd consider myself (5) for domestic and (9) for economic.

    Remember to register your outcome on the poll, too!
    (5.5, 7)
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    Minor stuff: unsavoury stuff said to me, police acting funny with me like if they came to do some kind of workshop/talk-every year about the 'dangers' of Halloween at my school, and passive aggressive things about race while clearly directed at me during discussions. It's got better now though because my college is very mixed ethnically, but my school was predominantly white.
    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    To me that sounds like just regular racism at worst, not institutional racism. I mean, the police have been a bit funny with me sometimes and I have had security follow me around shops occasionally and I'm white.
    Of course a major limitation with personal experience is not being able to live as somebody else to make a comparison. And we may often be inclined to believe people are treating us in certain ways for particular reasons, when really we have no clue. The conclusions we make can also be rooted in biases or what we've been taught by others. For example, if a police officer is harsh or unfriendly to me, I'm not going to assume this was due to racism, whereas a black person more likely would.

    For all we know, most 'racism' people experience in day-to-day life was never actually racism in the first place. But our assumptions then feed a self-affirming cycle of confirmation bias.
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    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    Of course a major limitation with personal experience is not being able to live as somebody else to make a comparison. And we may often be inclined to believe people are treating us in certain ways for particular reasons, when really we have no clue. The conclusions we make can also be rooted in biases or what we've been taught by others. For example, if a police officer is harsh or unfriendly to me, I'm not going to assume this was due to racism, whereas a black person more likely would.

    For all we know, most 'racism' people experience in day-to-day life was never actually racism in the first place. But our assumptions then feed a self-affirming cycle of confirmation bias.
    Well, lucky you can, eh.
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    The last thread I created raised a lot of controversy with a lot of people questioning the descriptions I used to describe each of the political positions. The descriptions weren't meant to be literal, but rather to give you an idea of the some of the principles associated with that particular political allegiance. Instead, I thought I'd create a more realistic political compass consisting of both domestic and economic policies.

    Mark yourself out of 10 and plot yourself on the graph below.

    Domestic(x/10):
    1) You believe in institutional racism and the patriarchy.
    2) You believe in gay marriage.
    3) You believe in euthanasia.
    4) You believe in restorative justice.
    5) You believe in drug decriminalisation.
    6) You believe in positive discrimination.
    7) You believe in gender equality.
    8) You believe in multiculturalism.
    9) You believe in social justice and the common good.
    10) You believe in secularism.

    Economic (x/10):
    1) You believe in the free market.
    2) You believe in less red tape and regulation.
    3) You believe in individual prosperity and "The American Dream".
    4) You believe in globalisation and transnational cooperation.
    5) You believe the minimum wage hurts businesses and employment.
    6) You believe in equality of opportunity over equality of outcome.
    7) You believe the rich are entitled to a better quality of living.
    8) You believe in small government and privatisation.
    9) You believe in a flat rate of income tax.
    10) You believe the engineer is more important than the writer.

    Attachment 566760

    Just if anyone's interested, I'd consider myself (5) for domestic and (9) for economic.

    Remember to register your outcome on the poll, too!
    Domestic(x/10):
    1) You believe in institutional racism and the patriarchy.
    2) You believe in gay marriage.
    3) You believe in euthanasia.
    4) You believe in restorative justice.
    5) You believe in drug decriminalisation.
    6) You believe in positive discrimination.
    7) You believe in gender equality.
    8) You believe in multiculturalism.
    9) You believe in social justice and the common good.10) You believe in secularism.

    Economic (x/10):
    1) You believe in the free market.
    2) You believe in less red tape and regulation.
    3) You believe in individual prosperity and "The American Dream".
    4) You believe in globalisation and transnational cooperation.
    5) You believe the minimum wage hurts businesses and employment.
    6) You believe in equality of opportunity over equality of outcome.
    7) You believe the rich are entitled to a better quality of living.
    8) You believe in small government and privatisation.
    9) You believe in a flat rate of income tax.
    10) You believe the engineer is more important than the writer.

    Guess I'm far right
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    (Original post by jake4198)

    Domestic(7/10):
    1) You believe in institutional racism and the patriarchy.
    2) You believe in gay marriage.
    3) You believe in euthanasia.
    4) You believe in restorative justice.
    5) You believe in drug decriminalisation.
    6) You believe in positive discrimination.
    7) You believe in gender equality.
    8) You believe in multiculturalism.
    9) You believe in social justice and the common good. <--- depends on what is meant by social justice
    10) You believe in secularism.

    Economic (8/10):
    1) You believe in the free market.
    2) You believe in less red tape and regulation.
    3) You believe in individual prosperity and "The American Dream".
    4) You believe in globalisation and transnational cooperation. <----More or less. I don't like the UN and international law
    5) You believe the minimum wage hurts businesses and employment.
    6) You believe in equality of opportunity over equality of outcome.
    7) You believe the rich are entitled to a better quality of living.
    8) You believe in small government and privatisation.
    9) You believe in a flat rate of income tax.
    10) You believe the engineer is more important than the writer.
    Libertarian. I consider myself libertarian/classical liberal.

    I don't think believing in positive discrimination makes you more a classical liberal than a libertarian.

    Whoever believes an engineer to be more important than a writer (=Marx, Mill, Nietzsche, Montesquieu all wrote) is an idiot.
 
 
 
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