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    Just pointing out that liberalism is a right-wing ideology.
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    (Original post by PandaCalavera)
    Being liberal is just being open to diversity, isn't that a good thing?

    What bad entities are you speaking of? The world needs compassion and empathy and also understanding. It is impossible to understand "bad entities" and why they do what they do unless you can see it from their side, unless you can try to understand what they want and why they do it. That is what will truly solve these issues, not and endless cycle of crime>capital punishment>crime.

    I assume you mean borders.
    We're just the people who look at Imagine by John Lennon and actually mean it when we say it's an inspirational song.
    So many people say they want peace and harmony in the world whilst in the same breath talk of division.

    What is wrong with being a citizen of the world? You're a human being, aren't you? We are the same race as those in other countries. UK, Iraq, USA, Syria, China, New Zealand, India, Poland, Sweden, South Korea, Somalia. We are all people, we are all of the same race, we are the human race. There is nothing wrong with being able to look past your nationality, recognising it is a man-made concept and looking at others as you look at those who live around you.

    I'm not terrified of offending anyone, I try my best not to cause anyone discomfort if I can help it. I'm not scared of offending anyone "who isn't white" because the only time race would matter is if I was being racist, which I'm not.
    I don't not be racist, homophobic, sexist etc because I'm scared to offend, it's because I genuinely am not those things and believe everyone deserves to be treated equally, without discrimination.

    You're so caught up in your own thoughts and opinions that you can't possibly understand why anyone would think any differently unless they'd been brainwashed.
    I've seen enough of these threads that I'm too fed up for debate. People can think what they like.

    All I want to say is that John Lennon wasn't half the man people quote him as, despite how good his music was. That much is clear to anyone that's read anything of or by him. He really isn't the best figurehead for peace and libertarianism, lol.
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    I'm quite an odd one, really. My absolute ideal would actually be rather left-wing, a land where everyone is equal, education is free and there is no poverty because everyone enjoys a high standard of living. Here, the state would act as a benevolent leader, providing direction to the nation and preserving order to ensure that all benefit from the profits of our success.

    As I'm sure you agree, that sounds very fluffy and is very idealistic. I find myself realistically therefore in the centre-right of the political spectrum. I recognise that everybody is not equal (and I don't mean shouldn't be entitled to equal rights, I mean equal in very general terms such as intelligence, work ethic etc) so therefore this idealistic state cannot exist. In reality, those in positions of power cannot be fully trusted to be benevolent to all of our citizens, although the current system of democracy does a pretty good job of ensuring that each government acts in the broad interests of the people, regardless of which party wins. As people are not equal, it is therefore just that there are differing levels of wealth, although I think the government should have the responsibility of limiting the power of those who aren't elected. Education can't be free without excessive taxes or else universities will fail to run, and taxes themselves should be kept at a minimum so as not to punish the individual by taking a part of their salary. It is perfectly fair to pay for your own education, but the loan system is effective at making sure people can afford it who do not have the money up-front. In some ways I'm also a bit isolationist, in that I want less interaction with certain parts of the world but more with Europe/Anglosphere countries (and China/Japan, I guess). I also think Islam has the potential to cause significant damage to Western culture and freedoms. By and large, most Muslims who grow up here are very agreeable people and are similarly likely to hold conservative stances on issues such as homosexuality as many conservative Christians are, so as long as they don't act on those beliefs and try to integrate with British life then that's fine. It's the ones who immigrate directly from the Middle East that we really ought to be worried about, as they have come from a society that in many ways is the polar opposite to our own.

    So I describe myself as a Conservative because they're the only realist party, and the only party prepared to take a stand against mass culture change. I differ from many on this site whom I usually agree with by my promotion of the EU as a good thing, although I admit it is no way perfect in its current form. Maybe the idealist inside me wants to believe it can change, idk. But I find that human nature drives me towards realism, which a great many students refuse to acknowledge as a fact of life.
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    so, if being liberal is clearly such a good thing, why aren't we all liberals ? are conservatives, or even reactionaries, evil ?
    Yes.

    Hope that helps.
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    pretty sure john lennon wasn't the best example of being liberal/left wing lol...
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    I believe in tradition left wing politics, and i've gotta say this site is toxically left wing, the left wing that normal people dislike, the extreme of left wing. You do get right wingers and there are a good amount here, and they do post on a regular basis, but the mods on this site happily ban and rip apart people with right wing views more than some of the toxic views past as left wing nowadays.

    you also have to remember that some of the people here can't even vote, and hold pretty native thought on politics or just dont know enough, myself included.

    Personally i see not a single think wrong with people who are right wing, or conservative, im a nice blend of a liberal and conservative. I want theis country to change and improve but on the nice basis it is today, dont really want some massive change, since i know it just aint gonna happen and would harm what is nice and good of today.
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    (Original post by Abstract_Prism)
    Just pointing out that liberalism is a right-wing ideology.
    Well the term left and right wing comes from the french revolution. People who wanted rid of the monarchy and were pro the revolution were left wing. Liberals and socialist can be described as left wing. Liberals just think that the replacement of serf and lord with proletariat and capitalist brings the equality, liberty and fraternity proclaimed by the revolution. Socialists think we can only have equality, liberty and fraternity by progressing beyond serfdom, capitalism, towards social ownership of the economy so society is not built around dominator and dominated.

    Liberals fetisize private property, But can be all about equality when it comes to human rights and racism etc.

    Liberals are all about equality through the prism of private property and markets. So absolutely no aristocracy or kings, no racism, no homophobia no sexism. Although slavery is fine, since slaves are private property :indiff: The amount of support for slavery among liberals...
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Yes.

    Hope that helps.
    The "I have a child's understanding of the diversity of political philosophy and also a crushing sense of entitlement to successful peoples' money" starter pack.

    In any case, the right/left divide is outdated and we're starting to come around to that fact. The true divide in politics isn't a spectrum of left to right, it's how you would answer this question. Assuming you have no control of the state in either situation, would you choose to live with a government that proactively tried to run your life and society at large, or would you want to be left to your own devices? To fail or succeed by your own merits.

    I think students naturally fall into the second camp and you can see that - there are more conservatives and libertarians and classic liberals here than there would be if this website was up at any point since 1945. The only obstacle to securing a future of classical liberal values instituted by Millennials is getting them to see the hypocrisy in rejecting social authoritarianism but endorsing economic authoritarianism.
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    (Original post by jape)
    The "I have a child's understanding of the diversity of political philosophy and also a crushing sense of entitlement to successful peoples' money" starter pack.

    In any case, the right/left divide is outdated and we're starting to come around to that fact. The true divide in politics isn't a spectrum of left to right, it's how you would answer this question. Assuming you have no control of the state in either situation, would you choose to live with a government that proactively tried to run your life and society at large, or would you want to be left to your own devices? To fail or succeed by your own merits.

    I think students naturally fall into the second camp and you can see that - there are more conservatives and libertarians and classic liberals here than there would be if this website was up at any point since 1945. The only obstacle to securing a future of classical liberal values instituted by Millennials is getting them to see the hypocrisy in rejecting social authoritarianism but endorsing economic authoritarianism.
    Where's the hypocrisy, sorry?

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    (Original post by Calzs34)
    When things don't go right, you go left. And well, not a lot has gone right lately, so we've all gone left.
    But when you go left you're not going right
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    I'll be the one to bite the bullet if no one else will: I'm far right. Alt-right not those irrational doofuses the left normally lumps us in with. There's quite a few of us on here, there's a UKIP party in the MHoC too. I do agree though, this site is very PC, like most places where students gather really. It's truly terrifying how few students value free speech these days.
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    You racist, xenophobic, white, male, privileged sh*tlord

    I agree it is terrifying how free speech and expression isn't valued any more
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    hahahahahah "terrified of offending anyone who isn't white"
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    (Original post by Abstract_Prism)
    Just pointing out that liberalism is a right-wing ideology.
    And let me point out that the Labour Party was original founded as a centre right wing working class party, but that has been hijacked by the left.
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    (Original post by rimstone)
    I believe in tradition left wing politics, and i've gotta say this site is toxically left wing, the left wing that normal people dislike, the extreme of left wing. You do get right wingers and there are a good amount here, and they do post on a regular basis, but the mods on this site happily ban and rip apart people with right wing views more than some of the toxic views past as left wing nowadays.

    you also have to remember that some of the people here can't even vote, and hold pretty native thought on politics or just dont know enough, myself included.

    Personally i see not a single think wrong with people who are right wing, or conservative, im a nice blend of a liberal and conservative. I want theis country to change and improve but on the nice basis it is today, dont really want some massive change, since i know it just aint gonna happen and would harm what is nice and good of today.
    You can say that again about the mods banning anyone right wing immediately. This is my 8th account and another thing, I started this post SamDrake was my 7th account before it was banned by the over zealous mods. All they are doing is fueling my resentment of the left wing.
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    (Original post by theponderer)
    hahahahahah "terrified of offending anyone who isn't white"
    Let it put it to you like this.

    If you was a white British male and you recently hypothetically find yourself homeless and you go to the council to find temporary, emergency accommodation, you won't get it. Why? Because you're white British and a male, the council and the current politics are more then happy to bend over backwards to help a foreigner to find housing, but not a native citizen who happens to be a man and white. This is as a result of the left wing.
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    In my opinion anyone should be allowed to broadcast their views whatever they may be. I don't care if you're a racist supremacist, a radical islamist, a communist, a centrist. Whatever your view you should be allowed to say it because we live in what claims to be a democratic society which values free speech.

    I place little faith in humanity as a whole, however, I feel like if were going to do democracy then we ought to bloody well do democracy and trust that people will look to those with absurd ideas and go "hm, what absurd ideas I shall not vote for them."

    The idea that someone's views should be stifled and that they should be censored is abhorrent to me. I also find it insulting that I need these people to be censored for my own protection. I'm perfectly capable of forming my own opinions thank you very much and i do not need you to keep others' from me.

    I would also say, if we simply allowed loons to preach then they'd probably get less support. When you censor an opinion it makes it seem dangerous, makes it appear valid and makes it look as though you fear them. However, if we simply ignored those with stupid ideas others would hear them and go "that's bloody stupid."

    Oh also, I detest the left/right spectrum but if I had to id probably put myself on the right.
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    (Original post by Emperor Casear)
    This is my 8th account. What you said about the mods and them censoring everything they don't agree with is spot on. All it does is create friction and fuels the flames. I also find myself becoming even more annoyed with the radical hardliner left wing. I am starting to despise the left and we can see this all throughout Europe of late, people are fed up.
    I'm not referring to the mods on this forum (this account is like 2 days old so i can't speak at all about them). I'm talking about censorship in general. Any censorship anywhere. If the mods on this site censor then I disagree with them. If there is a man is the street wishing death upon western society and he is forcibly silenced then i disagree with it. If there is someone declaring migrants invaders and they are forcibly removed then i disagree with it.

    Censorship in any form is a direct contraction of democratic ideals.

    On a side note, is communism still banned in France?
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    Well liberals clearly do have more moral values than conservatives.
    do they? well, at least they say so
    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    Whereas Tories have more self-serving values.
    or perhaps, they're just being more honest about it ?

    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    Would Jesus be a liberal or a Tory.
    dunno

    most likely, he would be a Christian, in any case

    best
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    (Original post by Marked Target)

    On a side note, is communism still banned in France?
    not since the Nazi occupation ended in 1944
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    (Original post by PandaCalavera)
    Being liberal is just being open to diversity, isn't that a good thing?
    Why is diversity good? Who told you that? According to OP, the liberal propaganda has.

    Personally I think there is a limit and that one should not strive for diversity for diversity's sake. And we should not tolerate intolerance in the name of diversity.
 
 
 
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