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    So no one has an issue with students of the board of governors?
    No, its just that the idea is so absurd that it doesn't really deserve a discussion about.

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    No, its just that the idea is so absurd that it doesn't really deserve a discussion about.

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    its desperately needed.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    its desperately needed.
    Like herpes

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Like herpes

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    I know you quit education but it might interest you to know that schools don't listen to the voices of students. Now I fully understand that some of these voices are saying stupid things but often they aren't. So students become disheartened at the fact that they are never listened to and makes school less enjoyable and leads to under performing.
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    You must be absolutely crazy. Nay.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I know you quit education but it might interest you to know that schools don't listen to the voices of students. Now I fully understand that some of these voices are saying stupid things but often they aren't. So students become disheartened at the fact that they are never listened to and makes school less enjoyable and leads to under performing.
    Evidence?

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    (Original post by Aph)
    So no one has an issue with students of the board of governors?
    Students do not need a seat on the Board of Governors, the role of governors is to provide strategic suggestions to the headteacher, use their professional experience for ideas, and act as a platform where the headteacher can go for free advice. Student suggestions should be heard through a school Parliament system that has monthly meetings with senior staff.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    Students do not need a seat on the Board of Governors, the role of governors is to provide strategic suggestions to the headteacher, use their professional experience for ideas, and act as a platform where the headteacher can go for free advice. Student suggestions should be heard through a school Parliament system that has monthly meetings with senior staff.
    The issue is that, in my experience, the senior staff have an agenda and don't listen to students.

    And the governors also have the power to remove the head and implement all school rules.

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    Evidence?

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    Purely anecdotal.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    The issue is that, in my experience, the senior staff have an agenda and don't listen to students.

    And the governors also have the power to remove the head and implement all school rules.


    Purely anecdotal.
    I would support a compromise where all schools are free from the Local Education Authority's influence, creating a system where each school is an independent school controlled by the governors with a proportion of the governors needing to be parents of students at the school. The governors would have complete freedom over how the school is operated, term dates, school uniforms, internal policies, discipline, what should be taught, staff employment, and how things work.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Purely anecdotal.
    Great.

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    Grammar schools are fundamentally a bad idea, but this Bill is severely lacking (btw, do you intend this to apply to private/specialist schools as well?). The other Socialists should at least help you with drafting.

    Edit: also, students on the board of governors is absurd.
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    From my experiences, student council(S) and officers and presidents can actually play a really importance role within an institution. In my college they managed to fix the library and get more computers.
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    From my experiences, student council(S) and officers and presidents can actually play a really importance role within an institution. In my college they managed to fix the library and get more computers.
    Maybe my school was rubbish then... Student council couldn't do a thing because the head and senior staff didn't care what was said if it didn't fit in with their point of view.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Maybe my school was rubbish then... Student council couldn't do a thing because the head and senior staff didn't care what was said if it didn't fit in with their point of view.
    Thats probably a thing, but it may or may not have something to do with the fact that each of my secondaries were previously failing places revitalised with Labour money.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Maybe my school was rubbish then... Student council couldn't do a thing because the head and senior staff didn't care what was said if it didn't fit in with their point of view.
    I think you're taking your school, which sounds ****ing awful, as the basis of what every single ****ing school is like.
    My school listened to their student council, and we got through lots of great ideas.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Surely the current RL cabinet shows proof counter to this

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    So what is it you can prove they got tuition in and were able to do because of it that they are unable to do?

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    People expected hard evidence from Aph?

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    So what is it you can prove they got tuition in and were able to do because of it that they are unable to do?

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    I was taking the piss....

    If you honestly believe that there isn't anyone that passed the 11+ because tuition was bought for them rather than their own intelligence then you're as naive as Aph and I won't bother engaging with it. If you're just playing the usual devil's advocate/cynical card then I won't bother engaging with it.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    I was taking the piss....

    If you honestly believe that there isn't anyone that passed the 11+ because tuition was bought for them rather than their own intelligence then you're as naive as Aph and I won't bother engaging with it. If you're just playing the usual devil's advocate/cynical card then I won't bother engaging with it.
    No, I asked you totally seriously a claim that is the sort of thing you would come out with. But while we're at it, should we abolish the education system, it is effectively tuition.

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