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Is Islamophobia a problem in the UK?

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    It's not a problem because islamophobia is just a junk buzzword intended to stifle criticism of Islam.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    There's your problem, right there.
    "Dislike" and "prejudice" are two completely different concepts with different definitions.

    So what is that "soild meaning"? Is it "prejudice against Muslims", or is it "dislike of Islam"?
    You're confusing this really badly. Its EITHER. Its dislike or prejudice, its Islam or Muslims. The term Islamophobia collectivises all of them. Its similar to the word racism covers racial discrimination against both whites and blacks in different contexts. ITS EITHER, get that in your head.

    (Original post by QE2)
    The problem with this is that it assumes that all Muslims are aware of every element that makes up the ideology, and fully supports it all. However, in reality, many Muslims are completely unaware of the true nature of Islam. They grow up on a cherry-picked, sanitised version. You only have to look at many of the discussions on here. But if a Muslim is aware of all the unacceptable stuff, and still insists that Islam is perfect, the Quran is perfect, Muhammad was perfect, etc - then yes, I think it is reasonable to dislike that person as an individual, especially when they attempt to defend the unacceptable.
    You're confusing following specific parts of Islam to Islam being responsible for culture, history, traditions, etc... The majority of which are common amongst all Muslims. I'm not talking about cherry-picking parts of Islam to accept and parts to ignore, I'm talking about the common culture shared between virtually all Muslims. And even if its not "all Muslims", it sure as hell is a good 80+% of them. So its still hating on Muslims to hate on their culture (Islam) to a small degree.

    And as I've said, its fine to hate someone, but when that hate manifests into verbal abuse or physical aggression, then it becomes a problem. And I think running around spouting nonsense about Muslims being terrorists is verging on verbal abuse.

    (Original post by QE2)
    OK, let's examine that statement. It may seem profound but it is actually a glib platitude. First, "dislike" or "oppose" is a better term than "hate". If a culture is determined by the ideology, then yes, I dislike and am opposed to that culture if it involves misogyny, sexual oppression, etc. The history of Islam includes much conquest, oppression, imperialism and bloodshed. I am opposed to and dislike that. If a family's values are based on misogyny, sexual oppression, religious intolerance, etc, then I dislike those values. Why are gender inequality, homophobia, domestic violence and religious intolerance acceptable simply because they are a "tradition"? If someone believes that Islam is the perfect guide for all humanity, I dislike and oppose that belief.


    So, essentially, there is not a problem with disliking all those things - because they are all ideological. The thing is, there are many Muslims who don't actually subscribe to (or are even aware of) much of the ideology, so you cannot conflate all Muslims with the ideology of Islam.
    You've entirely missed the point. The point was that you can't hate a religion without implicitly having some degree of hate for its followers. I wasn't asking the OP to cherry-pick justify why parts are reasonable to hate. Perhaps if you stayed in coherent discussion instead of jumping in throwing your two cents, you'd realise this.As I've said too many times now, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH DISLIKING ISLAM. But there IS a problem when that dislike manifests into verbal abuse or physical aggression or discrimination.
    (Original post by QE2)
    But what if the person doing the harmful action has a parent who is very ill. Would it be acceptable then?
    I can't see the relevance of this statement.





    Next time please put your replies in a single post as well, and check carefully the context of the discussion, because you've gone around throwing your unnecessary two cents where they weren't in discussion.
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    (Original post by thickleftard)
    because you've gone around throwing your unnecessary two cents where they weren't in discussion.
    I see you got round your ban

    you'll be back to blocking people soon
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    (Original post by QE2)
    But a sizable minority would be happy to discriminate and punish others for their sexuality or beliefs. That's hardly "peaceful", or at least, not as I understand it.

    And what does the media portray you to be? I keep hearing this accusation, but most mainstream media seems to go out of its way to portray Islam as "the Religion of Peace" and Muslims as victims of Islamophobia.
    Well quite honestly, the media doesn't portray Muslims as terrorists as much as they used to be. And as for the minority, you would have to go and seek out that minority, so it is a religion of Peace.
    Of course harassment due to Sexual Orientation isn't in the least acceptable, but that's how the person interprets it, not the religion itself.

    We live in a society where homosexuality is common. But as for myself personally as a Muslim, if you respect me, then I'll respect you, regardless of gender, race, orientation, anything.

    Give respect and it shall be returned.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    I see you got round your ban

    you'll be back to blocking people soon
    what?
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    Yes definitely.

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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    Let's take another example.

    I thoroughly dislike the BLM movement. Why? Because it is full of lies and seeks to do what I very much think it is against: divide. Does that mean that, to some degree, I must hate/dislike black people? :lol:



    This thread is about "Islamophobia" though. I do, however, agree that almost every other religion in existance has said anti-gay and anti-woman things.
    always the ones who've never experienced any sort of discrimination (I.e non religious WHITE people) that have the most to say about the oppression other people face daily. what do you even know
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    It's not a problem because islamophobia is just a junk buzzword intended to stifle criticism of Islam.
    it is by no means a 'junk buzzword', people resort to criticising the word Islamophobia to dodge the fact that it is indeed what they are inciting, Islamophobia is collectively a dislike of Islam OR Muslims.
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    (Original post by Ashaibrahim5)
    always the ones who've never experienced any sort of discrimination (I.e non religious WHITE people) that have the most to say about the oppression other people face daily. what do you even know
    'oppression'
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    (Original post by thickleftard)
    it is by no means a 'junk buzzword', people resort to criticising the word Islamophobia to dodge the fact that it is indeed what they are inciting, Islamophobia is collectively a dislike of Islam OR Muslims.
    It is certainly a buzzword to stifle criticism. There is nothing irrational or wrong about disliking Islam as an ideology.

    Bigotry against Muslims is exactly that, anti-Muslim bigotry. It's not islamophobia.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    It is certainly a buzzword to stifle criticism. There is nothing irrational or wrong about disliking Islam as an ideology.

    Bigotry against Muslims is exactly that, anti-Muslim bigotry. It's not islamophobia.
    quite it tries to put the dislike of an ideology that people choose to believe in with homophobia

    A poor attempt really and one one most have already seen through.
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    Yes, just speaking to people indicates this.
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    The term 'Islamophobia' is a neologism and most appropriately means a fear or hatred of the religion Islam. Most people consider it to mean something else, that is, the unjustified hatred of Muslims because of their beliefs or skin colour. Those who take issue with the term 'Islamophobia' have to get used to the fact that sometimes the commonly understood meaning of a word is not the one which makes sense etymologically. For example, the term 'antisemitism' is the commonly used word to refer to hatred of Jews, even though it was invented by racialist Jew-haters to make their bigotry appear scientific and acceptable.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    It is certainly a buzzword to stifle criticism. There is nothing irrational or wrong about disliking Islam as an ideology.

    Bigotry against Muslims is exactly that, anti-Muslim bigotry. It's not islamophobia.
    I didn't say there was, but its not a 'meaningless buzzword' as you suggest.

    Dislike/prejudice against Muslims comes under Islamophobia. Islamophobia is clearly a dislike against Islam OR Muslims. It collectivises the dislike of both entities.
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    (Original post by thickleftard)
    what?
    hi alevelstress

    nice try but no cigar
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    hi alevelstress

    nice try but no cigar
    i'm not alevelstress but there's no convincing you without 100+ sources, right?
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    (Original post by thickleftard)
    ibut there's no convincing you without 100+ sources, right?
    not even sure what that means or the context you've used it in as I've not asked you for any source

    but yes as an academically minded person I do like to see sources for facts rather than letting people get away with making up their own

    You'll soon understand this now your a levels are over and the stress has gone and you continue with your education
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    not even sure what that means or the context you've used it in as I've not asked you for any source

    but yes as an academically minded person I do like to see sources for facts rather than letting people get away with making up their own

    You'll soon understand this now your a levels are over and the stress has gone and you continue with your education
    so as an academically minded person, what factual proof have you got that I am some other user on this website?
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    (Original post by thickleftard)
    I didn't say there was, but its not a 'meaningless buzzword' as you suggest.

    Dislike/prejudice against Muslims comes under Islamophobia. Islamophobia is clearly a dislike against Islam OR Muslims. It collectivises the dislike of both entities.
    I disagree. In my opinion it's a buzzword and it doesn't include both. It is inherently a fallacious word that equates an irrational fear of Islam (which I don't agree with anyway) to hatred of Muslims. Attacks against Muslims are anti-Muslim bigotry, not islamophobia.
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    (Original post by thickleftard)
    so as an academically minded person, what factual proof have you got that I am some other user on this website?
    you're fooling no one

    remember the clue is if you have only been here for a day or two having knowledge of other posters style when you haven't interacted with them in any way is a dead give away.

    But don't worry I understand let's just hope you change your ways
 
 
 
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