All teachers are biased and try to convert to left wing socialists

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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Yes, and unemployment also shot up to levels not seen since the Great Depression. At the same time, interest rates rose to record levels of 17% and repossessions rose to match. Moreover, poverty went up under Thatcher, according to these figures from the Institute for Fiscal Studies. In 1979, 13.4% of the population lived below 60% of median incomes before housing costs. By 1990, it had gone up to 22.2%, or 12.2m people, with huge rises in the mid-1980s.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hatcher-charts
    Ok so she did reduce the national debt and stable inflation , the rest of the stuff yo mention is a socialist rant. Regan was also good for the economy, and Venezuela and zimbabwe are run by socialists. Thatcher also did better than most labour PM's at reducing the debt and better than your precious CLEMNT ATLEE. So unfortunately you loose at , as any PM as ruthless at thatcher , REDUCES NATIONAL DEBT MORE. Even more than clement atlee. So be quiet , don't go on a socialist rant about poverty , accept the fact that thatcher was better for debt and the deficit. And better for the economy and economic growth ( not looked up figures but assuming so unless you have any to suggest other wise). So actually the toreis are right wing enough , as they are to left of the thatcher and doing RUBBISH with national debt. So no Im not really stupid , they should take Thatchers line which means they aren't right wing enough.
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    (Original post by nathan1276)
    Ok so she did reduce the national debt and stable inflation , the rest of the stuff yo mention is a socialist rant. Regan was also good for the economy, and Venezuela and zimbabwe are run by socialists. Thatcher also did better than most labour PM's at reducing the debt and better than your precious CLEMNT ATLEE. So unfortunately you loose at , as any PM as ruthless at thatcher , REDUCES NATIONAL DEBT MORE. Even more than clement atlee. So be quiet , don't go on a socialist rant about poverty , accept the fact that thatcher was better for debt and the deficit. And better for the economy and economic growth ( not looked up figures but assuming so unless you have any to suggest other wise). So actually the toreis are right wing enough , as they are to left of the thatcher and doing RUBBISH with national debt. So no Im not really stupid , they should take Thatchers line which means they aren't right wing enough.
    Again, Clement Attlee's 1945-51 government reduced the national debt by 40% of GDP. Thatcher's reign included 2 recessions during which there were 4 Chancellors, and over the 11 years national debt fell by 24%. This is not more than the Attlee government.
    Unemployment also matters a great deal. Unemployment shot up to levels not seen since the Great Depression under Thatcher.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Again, Clement Attlee's 1945-51 government reduced the national debt by 40% of GDP. Thatcher's reign included 2 recessions during which there were 4 Chancellors, and over the 11 years national debt fell by 24%. This is not more than the Attlee government.
    Unemployment also matters a great deal. Unemployment shot up to levels not seen since the Great Depression under Thatcher.
    Lady Thatcher's government did a good job of driving down government debt, which was 43.6 per cent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in 1979, and 26.7 per cent in 1990.
    43.6>40 , its simple maths. Recessions are a cycle , no government , conservative , labour , green , ukip can really do anything to COMPLETELY avoid a recession forever.
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    Lets stop debating , ath this will keep go in circles , I think im right , you think your right. Only the electorate will decide. Thanks for a good debate, Prepare for a tory 100 seat majority in 2020!!!!!
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    (Original post by nathan1276)
    Lady Thatcher's government did a good job of driving down government debt, which was 43.6 per cent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in 1979, and 26.7 per cent in 1990.
    43.6>40 , its simple maths. Recessions are a cycle , no government , conservative , labour , green , ukip can really do anything to COMPLETELY avoid a recession forever.
    I'm sorry, can you not subtract? 43.6%-26.7% = 16.9%, so according to your figures Thatcher reduced government debt by 16.9%, which is actually true according to this graph:

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    (Original post by nathan1276)
    Lets stop debating , ath this will keep go in circles , I think im right , you think your right. Only the electorate will decide. Thanks for a good debate, Prepare for a tory 100 seat majority in 2020!!!!!
    You will think you're right. I will know I am right because I have a coherent argument supported by the facts.
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    (Original post by AlexS101)
    So true, especially with Economics teachers, there was one at my college who called Tony Blair the countries saviour and they all kept reminding us to vote remain on our way to our econ4 exam
    LOL, my economics teacher is like that- it really annoys me!
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    After 6 years of being constantly undermined by a tory government making ideological and indefensible attacks on the education system, would anyone really expect a teacher to be a tory?
    Yep that's true no teachers are tory...
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    Does anyone else find , that lll their teachers support labour and support left wing causes. I.e our economics teacher is biased, teaching us out about inequality of wealth and saying that capitalism is bad etc. even when its obvious that all the countries that have gone into hyperinflation have been led by socialists ( Zimbabwe , Venezuela) Gordon brown sold gold at all time low. The left have lost TWO elections , the EU referendum and the GE. Yet our socialist teachers wont stop with their socialist propaganda. In English we have to learn inspector calls ( Written by JB priestly , A SOCIALIST) . Why is there so much bias?? I dont see any capitalist propaganda to give kids a balanced view. On top this POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is another a big issue, they tell us by default that gay marriage is right etc. and you CANT speak out against it because of the bias. Its high time we give our kids two sides of the argument. What do you guys think?
    Out of curiosity how many teachers have you been taught by or met? How many do you think there are?

    Why not move to a better school?

    I dont believe ive ever been taught to think that gay marriage is right, but they d have a right to exist and be respected in law.

    If you fancy be a racist homophobic sexist, then go for it .
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    Well it's gonna be relative to where you live and go to school. If you are studying in a poorer area, expect labour to be up, if you're upper middle class then you can get a balanced view, never heard anybody outwardly speaking against the left. Inspector Calls was picked because it challenges the student and allows us to analyse it to a great extent, with socialism being a key theme that we can talk about. In fact, I think you'll find most books have a hidden political agenda. As for your struggles with people preaching labour... So what? It lets you have a better understanding of their side, whilst allowing you to make arguments for right wing. Also, if you are really this bothered about it, you should have taken history. Learning about the Soviets and Germany so far has shown that being too far left and right will create problems. You want a party who sways to your preferred side, but is mainly in the middle.
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    Anyone remember those old films when they showed the teacher as a Monster/Vampire?
    This thread reminds me of that but the title is "All teachers are Vampires and Monsters!"
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    You will think you're right. I will know I am right because I have a coherent argument supported by the facts.
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/clement...akes-1-1291974
    If everybody loved clement atlee why did he loose in 1951? His majority got reduced in 1950 and then he lost. So whilst you throw all your figures how great he was , the people obviously didn't think so. There was then tory reign until 1964. Guess what the national debt continued to fall. Your graph shows this. GDP and GDP per capita was rising between 1951 and 1964
    YearNominal GDP
    GDP per capita also increased from 7183 to 10364. GDP per capita in the first 6 years of tory rule also increased more than it did it under clement atlee.


    Between 1951 and 1956 the national debt fell more than under clement atlee

    Approximately 45%. We are compared 6 years to 6 years. Afterwards from the earlier graph you saw for yourself that national debt fell. Unemployment was also very low. This proves capitalism when done properly works.
    Here are the facts so I know I am right but thank you for showing how bad Osborne was, you opened my eyes that we need a new centre right party or a leader that sticks to principles.
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    In general the Tory policies are more beneficial for those earning over £150K, and Labour policies more beneficial for those earning less. As teachers fall into the latter, they are more likely to favour the left.
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    (Original post by nathan1276)
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/clement...akes-1-1291974
    If everybody loved clement atlee why did he loose in 1951? His majority got reduced in 1950 and then he lost. So whilst you throw all your figures how great he was , the people obviously didn't think so. There was then tory reign until 1964. Guess what the national debt continued to fall. Your graph shows this. GDP and GDP per capita was rising between 1951 and 1964
    YearNominal GDP
    GDP per capita also increased from 7183 to 10364. GDP per capita in the first 6 years of tory rule also increased more than it did it under clement atlee.


    Between 1951 and 1956 the national debt fell more than under clement atlee

    Approximately 45%. We are compared 6 years to 6 years. Afterwards from the earlier graph you saw for yourself that national debt fell. Unemployment was also very low. This proves capitalism when done properly works.
    Here are the facts so I know I am right but thank you for showing how bad Osborne was, you opened my eyes that we need a new centre right party or a leader that sticks to principles.
    No, this proves that left-leaning government interventionary Keynesian economics works. The introduction of neoclassical economic policies by Thatcher in the 80s proved that right wing neoliberal economics is inherently flawed and an unregulated free market - as is the utopian ideal of right wingers - does not work. That was also proved by the Great Depression.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    No, this proves that left-leaning government interventionary Keynesian economics works. The introduction of neoclassical economic policies by Thatcher in the 80s proved that right wing neoliberal economics is inherently flawed and an unregulated free market - as is the utopian ideal of right wingers - does not work. That was also proved by the Great Depression.
    So do you admit that the tories reduced the national debt between 1951 and 1964? Thatchers economics did work as the national debt was reduced .
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    (Original post by nathan1276)
    So do you admit that the tories reduced the national debt between 1951 and 1964?
    By continuing with Labour's Keynesian economic policy. Only an ignorant fool would refuse to admit that in the face of clear facts.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    By continuing with Labour's Keynesian economic policy. Only an ignorant fool would refuse to admit that in the face of clear facts.
    They still lowered taxes and had capitalist ideas.

    Gdp per capita also increased under thatcher by just under 4,000. So thatcher and right wing utopia does work. Most economist agree that a free market to a certain degree is good. Lowering taxes causes economic growth . Churchill raised tax allowance and his successors cut taxes so if this is your definition of left leaning then your right but it definitely isnt socialism.
    Eden has the distinction of being the British prime minister to oversee the lowest unemployment figures of the post-World War II era, with unemployment standing at just over 215,000—barely one per cent of the workforce—in July 1955 .

    As a One Nation Tory of the Disraelian tradition, haunted by memories of the Great Depression, he believed in the post-war settlement and the necessity of a mixed economy, championing aKeynesian strategy of public investment to maintain demand and pursuing corporatist policies to develop the domestic market as the engine of growth. Benefiting from favourable international conditions,[3] he presided over an age of affluence, marked by low unemployment and high if uneven growth
    Harold Macmillan believed in a mixed economy
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    (Original post by nathan1276)
    Youve made a good point and thats fair enough. Im an A* economics student. Im no fan of the tories , they arent right wing enough and don't implement any good policies. The debt is more important than the deficit, The tories dont implement a real conservative ideology , they are liberal puppets. Now you answer to my point, all cases of hyerinflation ( venezuela price controls caused hyerinflation along with nationalization) and zimbabwe was also run by socialist. You only focus on osbourne yet your refuse to look at the employment figures and the work of thatcher and regan. Give us the facts and figures on those guys, dont just pick the worst tory chancellor ever. Thatcher drove down government debt and stabled inflation ( I know youll talk about the recession , but that was for the better)
    You’re so cringe. The Venezuelan economic crisis was caused by low oil prices. Socialism can’t exist in an overwhelmingly Capitalist society, so therefore there’s been no socialist government in history. Also Reagan called for employee ownership of businesses, a Communist ideal
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    You’re so cringe. The Venezuelan economic crisis was caused by low oil prices. Socialism can’t exist in an overwhelmingly Capitalist society, so therefore there’s been no socialist government in history. Also Reagan called for employee ownership of businesses, a Communist ideal
    Price controls and three exchange rates made it worst,You saw the electorate in venezeula want maduro out. The nationalization also made everything worse. As schools and education are getting less subsidies than electricity or gasoline
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    (Original post by nathan1276)
    They still lowered taxes and had capitalist ideas.

    Gdp per capita also increased under thatcher by just under 4,000
    Lowering taxes cannot be called a good thing, neither can an increase in GDP per capita when she created unemployment at levels near the Great Depression, causing a vast development gap between rich and poor.

    In 1979, there were also strict rules covering banks and building societies that stood in the way of first-time buyers.
    Banks did not offer mortgages, and building societies were not allowed to hold savings accounts or borrow on the money markets.
    The Thatcher government lifted these restrictions, allowing building societies to convert into banks, and banks to become mortgage lenders.
    This set off a boom in house-buying which suddenly crashed in 1989. Thatcher also tripled interest rates in a single day, plunging huge numbers of families into negative equity.

    Her screwup of the economy and the Great Depression proved that right-wing neoclassical economics does not work.
    The right-wing utopia of an unregulated free market is impossible as proved by the crashes of 1929 and 2008.

    Again, you've ignored by points, and your points have you no closer to proving that the Tories would have improved the economy instead of Brown, especially when presented with the facts that Osborne has made a mess of the economy with his right-wing neoclassical economic policy.

    In the last 200 years of economic history there have only been three prolonged periods of debt accumulation worse than George Osborne's tenure as Chancellor of the Exchequer: The First World War (+110% of GDP), the Second World War (+100% of GDP) and the tenure of Tory Chancellor Nicholas Vansittart 1812-1823 (+64% of GDP).
    Having increased public sector debt by 26.9% in five years, George Osborne has undeniably created more new debt than any single Labour government in history ever has. In fact it's a bigger proportional increase in the national debt than all of the Labour governments in history combined.

    Moreover, according to the OECD, IFS, and IMS, the 'deficit' was not the worst while Labour was in power. It is however the worst now since Osborne's austerity measure.
 
 
 
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