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    (Original post by Chief Wiggum)
    wow. just wow.


    60 million people dead.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Hopefully Abbott as Home Secretary will stop the long prison sentences and ASBOs that new labour introduced in the late 90s early 2000s. Long prison sentences, and ASBOs and excessive police recruitment are fascist ways of dealing with crime. Crime can be cured by mending communities, ending poverty and improving
    equality. No prison sentence should exceed 8- 10 years except in the most exceptional cases as it did before new labour came to power.

    Yes I imagine she would relax crime policies, and all the workers would have to deal with said criminals being back on the street...

    meanwhile, while the vandals, shoplifters and graffiti 'artists' are causing havoc; in the gated communities of north London, a couple of champagne socialists are having a vegan lunch washed down with white wine, as if nothing has changed!
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    I'm sorry, but I can't particularly accept that, this country has always stood up against extremism, it's sad that the Labour Party, a movement created in my home county of West Yorkshire, has gone from the being the party of the workers to a narrow middle class intelligentsia socialist party that defends Mao, a dictator who abused the workers he claimed to represent, (look at the most recent Abbott video), accepts money to appear on Iranian propaganda TV (a sexist homophobic dictatorship) and endorses violence against rival MPs (McDonnell on Esther Mcvey) any party that gives oxygen to the idea of or endorses violence as a political tool is an extremist party, and extremism is morally wrong.

    I don't know how you can call the CPC proposals "Poisonous Bile", they are enforcing the will of the majority of the people (many of whom were working class northerners with a labour MP) if you look at the statistics, a lot of the conservative seats in the south east voted remain
    I honestly don't care what the current mainstream view is in the post-factual democracy which we live in. Our media outside of the BBC is controlled by a handful of people, most of whom are billionaires, some of whom aren't even British. Nobody will convince me that these people have the best interests of the British public at heart. Immigrants don't cause economic problems, the vast majority don't cause social problems. Every think tank and study backs this up but people believe what they read in the papers and on the internet. Just because Bob the retired lifelong Bradford resident has had enough of brown people it doesn't mean that they should all be kicked out. It's the same sort of anti-intellectualism which lead to the rise of Trump in the USA. The real issue of investment, funnily enough an issue due to ideologically driven austerity, has largely been brushed over by the Conservative Party and it took Corbyn's politics in order to make them see investment as a potential solution to economic issues.
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    (Original post by Wattsy)
    I honestly don't care what the current mainstream view is in the post-factual democracy which we live in. Our media outside of the BBC is controlled by a handful of people, most of whom are billionaires, some of whom aren't even British. Nobody will convince me that these people have the best interests of the British public at heart. Immigrants don't cause economic problems, the vast majority don't cause social problems. Every think tank and study backs this up but people believe what they read in the papers and on the internet. Just because Bob the retired lifelong Bradford resident has had enough of brown people it doesn't mean that they should all be kicked out. It's the same sort of anti-intellectualism which lead to the rise of Trump in the USA. The real issue of investment, funnily enough an issue due to ideologically driven austerity, has largely been brushed over by the Conservative Party and it took Corbyn's politics in order to make them see investment as a potential solution to economic issues.
    Ah yes! The classic leftist tactic, totally ignore the main point (labour no longer represents the working class) pick up on semantics (my reference to the north) and try to awkwardly shift the topic on (to austerity.)

    Sorry Sunshine but it ain't gonna work! The fact it took you so long to comeback up with that frankly pathetic response shows you know I'm right.
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    She's a racist to the native people of this country. While i have over the past year been bemused and amused at Labour's stupidity, this is the first time i feel a bit disgusted at what they have done.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Ah yes! The classic leftist tactic, totally ignore the main point (labour no longer represents the working class) pick up on semantics (my reference to the north) and try to awkwardly shift the topic on (to austerity.)

    Sorry Sunshine but it ain't gonna work! The fact it took you so long to comeback up with that frankly pathetic response shows you know I'm right.
    Something just occurred to me, Wattsy's response was awfully similar in structure to Abbott's where she was asked about her kid's private education in the first video, these people truly don't realise that they are champagne socialists, I'm not imagining that right? xD
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Yes I imagine she would relax crime policies, and all the workers would have to deal with said criminals being back on the street...

    meanwhile, while the vandals, shoplifters and graffiti 'artists' are causing havoc; in the gated communities of north London, a couple of champagne socialists are having a vegan lunch washed down with white wine, as if nothing has changed!
    Working class people want a more liberal criminal justice system as labour has traditionally supported. Most working class people object to stop and search, they object to police crawling around their streets, they object to,a snitching culture that breaks communities and they object to long jail sentences when mending their communities is what they really want. Only labour and momentum can fix broken communities and unite people.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Ah yes! The classic leftist tactic, totally ignore the main point (labour no longer represents the working class) pick up on semantics (my reference to the north) and try to awkwardly shift the topic on (to austerity.)

    Sorry Sunshine but it ain't gonna work! The fact it took you so long to comeback up with that frankly pathetic response shows you know I'm right.
    I've answered your point. Immigration is going to be the cornerstone of any Home Secretary's appeal in the current climate. As far as I see it Labour will represent 'the working class' (I don't think they're a giant hive mind) if they can hit on the immigration message and change the views of those would be Tory/UKIP voters. I think that is a better policy than vilifying immigrants despite this being contrary to the facts. Labour policies, particularly economic ones will benefit the working class much more than Tory ones. If these people can get over the immigration hurdle armed with the facts, then I think Labour could be back in business. We don't know whether this is possible due to years of ineffective opposition. Call me optimistic but I think it's a minority that are too entrenched in their position to fly in the face of the real data.

    I reference the north because I'm a resident of York and was a student in Newcastle. Bradford is the closest place to me where immigration is a particularly heightened issue and I have knowledge of the demographic. Austerity was mentioned because it is a root cause of many issues which Tory policy makers are currently pinning on immigrants and doing so contra to the factual information available.

    On the length of time, I don't live here, I rarely pop up outside of two threads. It just so happened that this one piqued my interest enough to respond. I was busy doing other things. I certainly do not believe you are right and equating that with my time of reply in a non instant form of communication indicates to me that you're somewhat unsure of your own position but honestly I don't think that's a bad thing. I'm unwilling to live and die by mine, I'm not certain I'm right at all. I just voiced an opinion based on my interpretation of the situation, only time will tell if I am right. Being overly certain of things which are inherently uncertain leads to rigidity and public opinion in particular is a volatile thing. I don't think at the current time the Labour strategy is a bad one due to the Tory strategy it is intended to counter. 2020 is a long time away and the parts are likely to move multiple times over the course of the election cycle.*
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Working class people want a more liberal criminal justice system as labour has traditionally supported. Most working class people object to stop and search, they object to police crawling around their streets, they object to,a snitching culture that breaks communities and they object to long jail sentences when mending
    their communities is what they really want. Only labour and momentum can fix broken communities and unite people.
    I suppose you have evidence to back that up, if so, please link it, I have evidence to the contrary however, a representative survey conducted by Angus Reid Public Opinion showed that 65% of Britons support reinstating the death penalty for murder in Great Britain, while 28% oppose this course of action. Au contraire my friend, do the math, the working class are the majority of the country, if 65% of a representative (stressing that) survey voted in favour of stricter judicial control, then by extension the majority of the working class must be in favour
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    (Original post by Wattsy)
    I've answered your point. Immigration is going to be the cornerstone of any Home Secretary's appeal in the current climate. As far as I see it Labour will represent 'the working class' (I don't think they're a giant hive mind) if they can hit on the immigration message and change the views of those would be Tory/UKIP voters. I think th
    at is a better policy than vilifying immigrants despite this being contrary to the facts. Labour policies, particularly economic ones will benefit the working class much more than Tory ones. If these people can get over the immigration hurdle armed with the facts, then I think Labour could be back in business. We don't know whether this is possible due to years of ineffective opposition. Call me optimistic but I think it's a minority that are too entrenched in their position to fly in the face of the real data.

    I reference the north because I'm a resident of York and was a student in Newcastle. Bradford is the closest place to me where immigration is a particularly heightened issue and I have knowledge of the demographic. Austerity was mentioned because it is a root cause of many issues which Tory policy makers are currently pinning on immigrants and doing so contrary to the factual information available.

    On the length of time, I don't live here, I rarely pop up outside of two threads. It just so happened that this one piqued my interest enough to respond. I was busy doing other things. I certainly do not believe you are right and equating that with my time of reply in a non instant form of communication indicates to me that you're somewhat unsure of your own position but honestly I don't think that's a bad thing. I'm unwilling to live and die by mine, I'm not certain I'm right at all. I just voiced an opinion based on my interpretation of the situation, only time will tell if I am right. Being overly certain of things which are inherently uncertain leads to rigidity and public opinion in particular is a volatile thing. I don't think at the current time the Labour strategy is a bad one due to the Tory strategy it is intended to counter. 2020 is a long time away and the parts are likely to move multiple times over the course of the election cycle.*
    Mate, I'm from Colne Valley, much closer to Bradford than York is, with all due respect, you know nothing of the demographic apart from what your left wing mates have told you, yet again an example of the arrogance that the left exudes, Labour have took the working class vote for granted for far too long, and now it's gonna backfire in the north just as it did in Scotland.

    As for your riposte about the hive mind, yet again you pick on semantics, you know I was talking about the majority of working class people, please don't be pathetic, I know being steamrolled in a debate is tough, but you lot are supposed to be done with "personal" as Saint Jeremy, or has he gone back on that one?

    As for austerity, I'll explain it to you in laymans terms: Brown broke the economy, it needed fixing. (On a side note "No more boom and Bust" is the best comedy line in the last two decades imo xD)

    Your whole last paragraph is just "I'm morally superior" tosh, just laughable really, perfectly illustrates what Theresa May was saying at the CPC.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Mate, I'm from Colne Valley, much closer to Bradford than York is, with all due respect, you know nothing of the demographic apart from what your left wing mates have told you, yet again an example of the arrogance that the left exudes, Labour have took the working class vote for granted for far too long, and now it's gonna backfire in the north just as it did in Scotland.

    As for your riposte about the hive mind, yet again you pick on semantics, you know I was talking about the majority of working class people, please don't be pathetic, I know being steamrolled in a debate is tough, but you lot are supposed to be done with "personal" as Saint Jeremy, or has he gone back on that one?

    As for austerity, I'll explain it to you in laymans terms: Brown broke the economy, it needed fixing. (On a side note "No more boom and Bust" is the best comedy line in the last two decades imo xD)

    Your whole last paragraph is just "I'm morally superior" tosh, just laughable really, perfectly illustrates what Theresa May was saying at the CPC.
    Yup, this confirmed that all you do is tell me I'm wrong for no reason whatsoever. Donald Trump 'politics' in action. I'm done here, I hope one day you'all cut through the smoke and see the facts x
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    if she were white she would be in prison for the sort of stuff she said.
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    God help us all.

    She is absolutely AWFUL in interviews, a horrible, slippery, political creature that politics could really do without.

    Thankfully Labour will not be in power again for at least 20 years at the current rate.
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    She's a nasty racist. Nice for her to be put on a pedestal so we can watch her fall off it.

    "Never kissed a Tory" now becomes "never met a northerner."
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    I don't see how this is a surprise - she's Corbyn's #2 after all. I can easily see her being leader when he eventually flakes. *
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    (Original post by Wattsy)
    As far as I see it Labour will represent 'the working class'... if they can hit on the immigration message and change the views of those would be Tory/UKIP voters.
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    (Original post by JRKinder)
    I absolutely hate the woman, luckily Labour are never going to win an election in this state!

    When did she make the "divide and conquer" comment about white people? Can you link it, I want to have a read haha (it's terrible if she did say that).
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    Labour's prospects fall ever more.
    (Original post by Seamus123)
    The woman is a ****ing liability.
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-and-rule.html

    Typed "Diane Abbott divide and conquer" into Google. Yes, it was that easy. You're welcome.
    (Original post by Reality Check)
    What does it matter who's been elected to this sixth-form protest party? It's not as if they're ever going to have any power (thank god).
    her wig got pulled back


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    Couldn't have put it better myself they're all in denial, plain and simple.
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    her wig got pulled back

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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Couldn't have put it better myself they're all in denial, plain and simple.
    Yes they are.

    It s great though, because when reality actually strikes they will have lost the North and Midlands to go with Scotland, and it will take them many many years to have even a prospect of forming a left wing government again.
 
 
 
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