Reverse Racism

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    (Original post by AlexS101)
    Reverse racism doesn't exist...
    However black/asian/white people can all be (and a small percentage are) racist
    You're joking right? Have you not seen what happens to black people in India.
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    (Original post by Longshot002)
    You're joking right? Have you not seen what happens to black people in India.
    As I said asians, including Indians can be (and some are) racist, but it is pure racism not the made up concept of reverse racism, as racism can be by any race and against any race.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    What cases of police brutality? If you are speaking of the USA then you need to say so. Their cases are the result of a nasty gun culture, frightened cops who would rather shoot first and ask questions later and armed criminals.

    I don't recognise such a description as applying to Britain.

    Black on Black crime needs to be recognized, while there have been instances of Unlawful use of a weapon many Murders are committed by blacks on black people.
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    The whole "institutionalised" part is a cheap ploy that is alien to the original definition.

    If the idiots who wrote those articles had any sense, they would have a more nuanced point of view - namely, that a system in which one group has a clear benefit over another, disenfranchised group makes it easier to be racist without fear of repercussion. That, however, doesn't make such a system a prerequisite to racism, but rather an aid to it.

    We've seen Black-on-White racism everywhere from Zimbabwe to the Civil Rights movement, and yet it didn't necessarily come from a position of power. Power may render the impact of a racist belief/policy more profound (e.g. in hiring employees based on the colour of their skin with impunity, or in arbitrarily giving harsher sentences to Black people because of their origin), but it doesn't have an effect on the definition of the word.

    In addition: Saying that racism has to come from a position of power also, mistakenly, assumes that your racist instincts are acted upon. I may live in Pakistan and have utter contempt for South Asians, but, being a minority, I won't feel comfortable externalising those thoughts, for fear of being beaten up/ losing my friends/ creating unnecessary tensions. It doesn't mean that I can't believe in racist things about my fellow citizens, only that I can't act on them, which is something different.
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    (Original post by Akamega)
    Are you implying that current cases of police brutality are the fault of the predominantly, black victims?
    Is that what your reading comprehension got from what I said?
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    (Original post by CraigBackner)
    from an article it stated that you can only be racist if you have privilege and power, which minorites dont have
    No, that;s just the justification given by the supremacists in the minority groups. Discrimination does not require power or privilege, after all, the little man so often wants to discriminate against the rich and powerful man out of envy.
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    There is no such thing as 'reverse racism', there is only racism.

    Calling it 'reverse' racism implies that only whites have ever been racist.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    No, that;s just the justification given by the supremacists in the minority groups. Discrimination does not require power or privilege, after all, the little man so often wants to discriminate against the rich and powerful man out of envy.
    For once, I find myself agreeing with you.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    For once, I find myself agreeing with you.
    Well, it makes sense that even every once in a while the wrongest of people are right
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    (Original post by A Mysterious Lord)
    There is no such thing as 'reverse racism', there is only racism.

    Calling it 'reverse' racism implies that only whites have ever been racist.
    ^ this.

    As I've said before, reverse racism is a racist term in itself. Assigning hierarchies like that, (ie. this race can be racially discriminatory towards this race, and it can be called racism because they have the "power" of the majority (NB), but if this race is racially discriminatory towards this race, it cannot be considered racism as they do not have the "power" of the majority.) is modifying the impact/value of one's words based on race, which is undoubtedly, using objective definitions, racist.
    • NB: One does not need to be part of the majority to have power. It's dependent on societal condition and circumstance. Also: races can't really be generalised as a group of people, in my opinion, and is it's such an arbitrary descriptor to place upon someone, which only bears little real relevance -- apart from the measure of racial discrimination within statistics.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Well, it makes sense that even every once in a while the wrongest of people are right
    It is a rare occasion when you're right.
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    With this whole institutional thing you end up with an interesting thought experiment, though I'm as yet unsure what the conclusion should be to it.

    Let's say, hypothetically, black people were never oppressed. The whites never colonised or enslaved anybody, minorities had equal rights from the start, and so on. Effectively everything is the same but white people have never had any "institutional power" over ethnic minority populations. In this hypothetical world, given the definition that racism requires institutional power, if I then go up to a black person and refer to him in a derogatory manner using the infamous n-word purely because I dislike his skin colour, is it correct to say that I haven't been racist?

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    (Original post by CraigBackner)
    from an article it stated that you can only be racist if you have privilege and power, which minorites dont have
    What about in situations that they do? For example, a job interview. The interviewer is part of a (so-called) minority group, and the interviewee is part of a (so-called) majority group. (I hate saying this because it's so arbitrary) Isn't the interviewer in a place of power (ie. potentially with a higher societal status than the interviewee), and therefore, by your logic, in a position to discriminate, as they have (so-called) privilege within this situation, or rather a higher status of power? Also - relative to the entire world - "white" people are the minority. Han Chinese, with an estimated population of around 1.3 billion, relative to the world, is the majority demographic. Therefore, where is your cut-off point for majority? Within a country? Within a continent?
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    (Original post by Retired_Messiah)
    With this whole institutional thing you end up with an interesting thought experiment, though I'm as yet unsure what the conclusion should be to it.

    Let's say, hypothetically, black people were never oppressed. The whites never colonised or enslaved anybody, minorities had equal rights from the start, and so on. Effectively everything is the same but white people have never had any "institutional power" over ethnic minority populations. In this hypothetical world, given the definition that racism requires institutional power, if I then go up to a black person and refer to him in a derogatory manner using the infamous n-word purely because I dislike his skin colour, is it correct to say that I haven't been racist?

    The definition does indeed fall apart at that point. This definition of racism is too subjective to be seriously considered, as it relies on subjective terms such as "minority", "majority", etc., which don't make sense if we ignore the concept of countries. (if we did, Han Chinese would be the dominant ethnicity, therefore the OP's argument would essentially shatter)
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    (Original post by ThatOldGuy)
    Is that what your reading comprehension got from what I said?
    Well, yes. You did say:

    (Original post by ThatOldGuy)
    Essentially, it treats said group as children incapable of making intelligent and moral decisions thanks to some vague thing that happened to someone at some point...
    (Original post by ThatOldGuy)
    Black man gets shot by a black cop in a black community with a black mayor? That's clearly the fault of institutional racism created by centuries of oppression.
    Maybe, I'm confused. What exactly did you mean?

    It's pretty easy to demonstrate institutionalised racism in America, so referring to it as a get-out of jail card is a little ridiculous.
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    (Original post by Akamega)
    Well, yes. You did say:





    Maybe, I'm confused. What exactly did you mean?

    It's pretty easy to demonstrate institutionalised racism in America, so referring to it as a get-out of jail card is a little ridiculous.
    What I was saying was that the riots in Baltimore were ridiculous and stupid. Not that there is no such thing as racism in the US.

    And I am really excited to hear about how you can demonstrate institutionalised racism!


    Obviously, I am going to use the mathematical truism "Correlation is not causation.". So without using correlation, to infer racism, please prove institutionalized racism.
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    (Original post by I-Hate-Edexcel)
    If I bully someone younger than me its called bullying. If someone younger than me bullies me its still called bullying. Not reverse Bullying. Same rules apply here
    Yeah cause bullying is definitely as complex as racism...
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    (Original post by bones-mccoy)
    Yeah cause bullying is definitely as complex as racism...
    It doesnt have to be as complex? Bullying and racism are both issues....its called an analogy
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    (Original post by I-Hate-Edexcel)
    It doesnt have to be as complex? Bullying and racism are both issues....its called an analogy
    I know it's analogy....but it doesn't work in this case.
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    One personal thing I've always wondered. I hear a lot about the way black people are portrayed in the media being largely negative...I'm always thinking "Since when?".

    For me, one of the youngest things I remember is from a game which I believed consisted of absolutely nothing called "Skates and Kel". Either me or my brother would be Skates from Streets of Rage, the other Kel from Keenan and Kel. Fk knows what we actually did, but literally the furthest back I remember, we were already looking up to these black characters.

    Then my next icon. I don't care what bllocks people want to say about his race...The Rock counts as a black guy. This is especially true in pro wrestling considering his rise came about because of his race and affiliation to Nation of Domination. Rock was the biggest icon ever to me and I'd spend hours trying to emulate the guy.

    Then music. There was some cheesier **** to begin with like Sex on the Beach or Grease Lightning, but after that my two favourite genres were 90s dance music and rap. I'm a Dreamer, What Is Love etc. features black people singing, I never even noticed, and then people like 2pac etc. filled the bulk of my music.


    I'm not using any of this sht to be like "Some of my best friends are whatever" but what I'm trying to say is, I was just another kid like everyone else. From my memory of the media in the UK and what we got from overseas, I don't once remember ever having any negative displays from black people, ever. No one was condemning them, no one was doing anything. Probably all of the biggest icons to me in music, computer games (especially San Andreas) and movies/TV for me personally were black, and honestly I didn't even think twice about it. It's just by chance that so many are black (what race is Henrik Larsson? ). But never once did anything ever make me question or even notice these icons based on race, and I was likely as if not more brought up listening to and soaking in the media.

    Before 2010, I don't remember even considering race to be a factor.
 
 
 
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