Breaking news- mp demands to vote on brexit upheld by high court!
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Original post by Tempest II
Must it? Surely Direct Democracy trumps Representative Democracy in this situation?
If the roles were reversed, how would you react if the UK population had voted to Remain but Parliament elected to Leave? Would you still claim the same standards?
If the roles were reversed, how would you react if the UK population had voted to Remain but Parliament elected to Leave? Would you still claim the same standards?
That is legally irrelevant.
The rule of law and parliamentary sovereignty states that the government cannot use the royal prerogative to repeal or override an act of Parliament.
That is a fundamental constitutional principle. Only Parliament can repeal an act of Parliament, not the government.
That is the correct legal decision whatever the political considerations are. The European Referendum Act 2015 is poltically binding but not legally binding.
Brexit will happen but it must be voted for by Parliament.
Original post by Davij038
Yay we have our sovereignty back! 
Holy ****!
Things are about to get interesting XD
Original post by Chakede
interestinlgy Pound has rebounded to its highest level for 3 months
Means nothing. With big things such as brexit happening there is bound to be big market instability for a while, and the pound lowering was not really due to the effects of brexit more due to speculation and the idea of brexit.
and a low pound is not always that bad.
Original post by XOR_
Parliament is formed from our democratic electorates (aside from Theresa May :P) and remaining in the single market was not actually a condition we voted on in the referendum.
You mean the democratically elected MP who won with a majority of 29,000?
So unnecessary. Aside from the SNP, no MPs will vote against triggering Article 50 without getting a massive backlash; it's political suicide. The only argument for having a vote is to debate the terms, but this is where the likes of the Lib Dems and Labour are so out of touch; staying in the single market is essentially staying in the EU. There was a clear vote made in the referendum, let's get on with it.
Original post by Connor27
TM can still go ahead with the royal prerogative if she wants to.
No she can't.
Of course, whilst it's funny it doesn't really change anything. See here:
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/11/calm-down-dears-article-50-is-still-going-to-happen.html
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/11/calm-down-dears-article-50-is-still-going-to-happen.html
If we do not leave the EU there will be riots.
Didn't the leave campaigners argue that parliament should be sovereign?
This decision makes good on exactly that.
This decision makes good on exactly that.
Original post by AperfectBalance
If we do not leave the EU there will be riots.
Beware the Zimmer Frame Armada.
Original post by Captain Haddock
Beware the Zimmer Frame Armada.
yeah its not like over half the population who could vote voted for leave
Original post by Bornblue
Didn't the leave campaigners argue that parliament should be sovereign?
This decision makes good on exactly that.
This decision makes good on exactly that.
Exactly!
It turns out that brexiters do not like sovereignty as much as they made out in June.
Original post by RuWill2001
Exactly!
It turns out that brexiters do not like sovereignty as much as they made out in June.
It turns out that brexiters do not like sovereignty as much as they made out in June.
Is anyone surprised?
Unfortunately for some people thier ludicrous, delusional opinions don't reflect reallity, this is just them kicking off and having a hissy fit.
Original post by Aceadria
Most MPs will not vote against the trigger. It would be political suicide.
This. Obviously the Conservatives are a given. As for the pro-EU Tories, these people's constituencies are usually very pro-leave. My MP is a very pro-EU guy but if he voted against triggering Article 50 he probably wouldn't be able to show is face in my town again. I wouldn't even want to imagine how bad it would be for Tory MPs in places like Boston, Lincs and Thurrock if they went against the will of their constituents. As for Labour, I wouldn't want to be an MP in a Labour heartland constituency who votes to overturn it. :Labour would be finished in these places.
Original post by Chakede
but if there vote is public they wont want to look as if theyre voting against publc opinion
The public did have a vote. They voted to leave.
Original post by ben.anderson
How stupid. This was a referendum, the people voted LEAVE and that's what should happen. It doesn't matter what way you voted, it is a democracy. Many lib-dem and labour voters don't seem to like that word!
And more's the point, why the hell vote 6 to 1 to give a Eurosceptic public a vote and make out it's the final say, when parliament is 80% remain.
This is farcical, and contemptuous, and also if we do semi-remain, it will weaken our terms and future.
It also has a real possibility, if Scotland and NI have power in keeping England more 'in' than it wishes to be, as was alluded to on the news I just saw, of causing the UK to rupture completely, the opposite of what the remainers thought remain would achieve.
Original post by AperfectBalance
If we do not leave the EU there will be riots.
What, we're going to have 50 year olds rioting?
I disagree with the decision but don't believe it will be a threat or even meaningful (parliament can't force May to negotiate a certain deal and if they don't agree to ratify it afterward, we get WTO rules).
May should call the vote soon and loudly. If she puts a 3 line whip on the Tories and loudly paints Labour as getting in the way then thanks to our FPTP electoral system, Labour MP's who don't fall in line will be slaughtered like cattle.
Only pick the battles you know you can win.
May should call the vote soon and loudly. If she puts a 3 line whip on the Tories and loudly paints Labour as getting in the way then thanks to our FPTP electoral system, Labour MP's who don't fall in line will be slaughtered like cattle.
Only pick the battles you know you can win.
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