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    (Original post by The Solitary Reaper)
    He does! Both have glass LEFT eyes.

    Dun dun dunnnn.


    I can't tell if you're an enraged BNP supporter or just slow?
    OH ok sarcasm, yeah im just slow :p:
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    now can no one see sarcasm.
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    Thanks everyone.

    Can hardly say i want to rush out and join the BNP, but at least i have some understanding now.

    Thanks again.
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    (Original post by teshla^^)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRKk2K3fMk0

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    HOLY **** the 'doc' is stood in my town centre on that video!

    That's so weird and upsetting.
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    WHY is that my town?!
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    Setting aside for the moment your suggestion that the labour party are filled with secret communists; are you thus not denying that the BNP are would-be Nazis?
    Well, not all. But I can think of at least one... :p:

    Curiously, the British Labour party were examined extensively by MI5 due to the fear of socialism, and various Labour MPs had massive files on them, with curious results apparently. Jack Straw is certainly one of them.

    Indeed, in 1942 (? - or thereabouts) when MacDonald was trying to get elected there were allegations that Zinoviev was sending letters to the Labour party. Now, it would seem, these were forged by MI5. It's all very interesting stuff which I came across, incidentally, when researching for my essay on the fall of the Liberal Party (which is also quite interesting).

    On topic: I'd certainly say that the BNP is a thuggish, racist political party of largely working-class men collected under the guidance of a tremendously charasmatic leader and his adolescent "twerp of a man" side-kick, Mark Collett.
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    (Original post by teshla^^)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRKk2K3fMk0

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    That's the stereotypical view of the BNP. It seems to be more and more true everything i learn.

    Thanks for the link.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m8yV...eature=related


    "1.. 2.. 3.. Auschwitz."

    That's the final straw.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4isG90mWJo

    the above link is what they are mocking. I visited Auschwitz last month, and despite the fact the man who made this video is breaking the law (by taking pictures inside the buildings) this displays it better than words.
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    (Original post by Invocation)
    Did you see Newsnight the other night? Nick Griffin was interviewed and blamed for the drug problem in the UK "Pakistanis and Islam". It's pathetic that the BBC even give this fruitcake a platform. :rolleyes:
    Agreed; I saw that debate and could not work out for the life of me why the Beeb had sought Griffin's views.

    Then again, I don't know why they asked that moron Margaret Hodge either - she has about as much an understanding of the societal problems of this country as Griffin himself, albeit not in the same virulent and malicious way.
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    (Original post by #1Genius)
    Agreed; I saw that debate and could not work out for the life of me why the Beeb had sought Griffin's views.

    Then again, I don't know why they asked that moron Margaret Hodge either - she has about as much an understanding of the societal problems of this country as Griffin himself, albeit not in the same virulent and malicious way.
    The BBC regularly has extreme left-wingers on its panels such as George Galloway or Ken Livingstone, if anything they are a lot more keen to have their sort on than that of Nick Griffin's ilk. He may not represent the working-class as a whole but he does represent the frustrations of a significant element of the white working-class a hell of a lot more than the BBC's beloved champagne socialists.
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    (Original post by pretz)
    The BBC regularly has extreme left-wingers on its panels such as George Galloway or Ken Livingstone, if anything they are a lot more keen to have their sort on than that of Nick Griffin's ilk. He may not represent the working-class as a whole but he does represent the frustrations of a significant element of the white working-class a hell of a lot more than the BBC's beloved champagne socialists.
    Well whatever, the point is there is a fine line between freedom of speech and giving someone a platform on which to express their tasteless views. The former I agree with, the latter I am at odds to understand.

    I think the BBC were right to engage 3 working-class guys in debate over the issues surrounding the plight of poorer people in society, and I was especially conscious of the consensus between them despite their differing races. That illustrated to me that the plight of the working class is little to do with race.

    It is also interesting that neither of the two white working-class males found anything of credit to take from Griffin's comments. Indeed, they were quick to deplore his inclusion in the debate. The guy isn't even working class; the only reason Dagenham have tended towards voting BNP is that Hodge is a complete idiot with little understanding of such issues.
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    (Original post by The Solitary Reaper)
    HOLY **** the 'doc' is stood in my town centre on that video!

    That's so weird and upsetting.
    The 'doc' lol! Phil Edwards -real name Stuart Russell, self-appointed 'doctor', Ph.D? [resigned from the BNP last year] runs a fireworks display company > I wonder if he supplies fireworks for Diwali?

    Russell employs Nazi Eugenics [now discredited] as arguments against certain minorities [as seen in the video clip]. This is the man with a Ph.d? Seems, his degree's not even good enough for toilet paper.


    In the past he accused a Lord Mayor of selling drugs for sex, but was eventually forced to make an apology. Russell is also known to have said: "We never have anyone in the party with criminal convictions." btw, Griffin once claimed that former Deputy Leader of the BNP, Tony Lecomber, [sacked in 2006 as BNP Group Development Officer for trying to hire a hitman to murder a leading politician], had a conviction for handling fireworks. :rofl:


    Tony Lecomber: 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of homemade hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three-years imprisonment.
    In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions
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    Just goes to demonstrate how far the BNP will go to desperately cling on to a facade of "respectability and intelligence."

    :bird:
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    The three 'working-class guys' are not engaged in manual labour, all had middle-class jobs and I suspect do not live in working-class areas. One was a trade union leader, one a radio talk show host and I forget who the other one on newsnight was. Just because they don't speak with an RP accent doesn't mean they are representative of the working-class.

    And you clearly do not believe in free speech if your conception of it doesn't extend to what you consider to be the 'tasteless'.
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    I went to a BNP meeting a few years ago at a local hotel.
    Nick Griffen spoke for about an hour there.
    In my opinion they seemed entirely race orientated, and he did stir up alot of emotion.
    I think they've toned it down and are converging towards the center ground more now though.
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    (Original post by gee_shakedown)
    I went to a BNP meeting a few years ago at a local hotel.
    Nick Griffen spoke for about an hour there.
    In my opinion they seemed entirely race orientated, and he did stir up alot of emotion.
    I think they've toned it down and are converging towards the center ground more now though.
    We live in a country where the electoral system favours the larger parties. The BNP may be a lot of things, but they're not stupid; they don't expect to suddenly win a general election and end up thrust in to government.

    As such, it is quite easy for them to project themselves as a more moderate party because they know that, at least in the near future, their only aspiration is to win local council seats. A more moderate line will attract more votes, particularly those who are dithering because they can't see any difference between the three main parties.

    Do you honestly think that if the BNP ended up in power they'd stick to their seeming "convergence" towards the centre ground?
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    I'm studying politics at A Level but cheers for the lesson
    I do understand what their motive for it is.
    And there's pretty much no chance of them ever coming to power, but nah I realise they wouldn't. Just a method of getting into office.
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    (Original post by gee_shakedown)
    I'm studying politics at A Level but cheers for the lesson
    I do understand what their motive for it is.
    And there's pretty much no chance of them ever coming to power, but nah I realise they wouldn't. Just a method of getting into office.

    Well if you know that already, then why submit a post saying "they seem to be moving towards the centre ground", somehow implying that they're no longer all about race?

    They always have been and always will be.
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    (Original post by pretz)
    And you clearly do not believe in free speech if your conception of it doesn't extend to what you consider to be the 'tasteless'.
    Here we go, the old "You only believe in free speech if you believe EVERYTHING should be free to say".

    I happen to believe that a level of responsibility comes with the freedom to say what one wishes. Besides, I even said I believe in freedom of speech for the BNP; I don't wish to stop them spreading whatever message they wish to spread. What I objected to was the BBC's decision to provide Griffin with a platform on which to air his quite frankly ridiculous views.

    If race is an issue in the problems of the working-class, then fine - deal with it in a civilised way. But don't, as he did, cast aspersions like "all drug problems in the UK are caused by Pakistanis". How is that in any way helpful to constructive attempts to deal with tensions? It's a comment designed to incite suspicion towards Asian people - on what plane of existence can a comment like that be said to be helpful to debate?

    THAT is why I don't think people like him should be given a platform, not because I think speech should be suppressed.
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    (Original post by Urban Dervish)
    The 'doc' lol! Phil Edwards -real name Stuart Russell, self-appointed 'doctor', Ph.D? [resigned from the BNP last year] runs a fireworks display company > I wonder if he supplies fireworks for Diwali?

    Russell employs Nazi Eugenics [now discredited] as arguments against certain minorities [as seen in the video clip]. This is the man with a Ph.d? Seems, his degree's not even good enough for toilet paper.


    In the past he accused a Lord Mayor of selling drugs for sex, but was eventually forced to make an apology. Russell is also known to have said: "We never have anyone in the party with criminal convictions." btw, Griffin once claimed that former Deputy Leader of the BNP, Tony Lecomber, [sacked in 2006 as BNP Group Development Officer for trying to hire a hitman to murder a leading politician], had a conviction for handling fireworks. :rofl:


    BBC




    Just goes to demonstrate how far the BNP will go to desperately cling on to a facade of "respectability and intelligence."

    :bird:
    *sigh*

    I'm going to try and find out if he lives here and then make it public knowledge.
 
 
 
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