The Alternative Economics League Table (TAELT) 2009 Watch

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I think it's really helpful actually. Great work! :gthumb:


EDIT: I just noticed you have Cardiff ABB M** 394, indicating A-Level Maths as mandatory, whereas the Cardiff website and departmental brochure state 'Economics is a numerate subject and consistent with other universities, some modules will have a quantitative element. However, we do not have any mathematical prerequisite beyond GCSE.'.
This is what it says on the UCAS Cardiff economics entry:
GCE A level:
Subjects and grades required Mathematics at grade B.

For completeness have you got the website link?
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This is what it says on the UCAS Cardiff economics entry:
GCE A level:
Subjects and grades required Mathematics at grade B.

For completeness have you got the website link?
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/carbs/progr...economics.html
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/carbs/progr...rad/entry.html
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/carbs/progr...rgradbrov7.pdf

It's interesting that the information on UCAS contradicts that on the actual website. I may shoot an email off to Cardiff and see what they say about the requirements.
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dam only like 25 unis offer straight economics
Times 66
UCAS L100 58
This thread 60

So I am not sure where 25 comes from..
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http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/carbs/progr...economics.html
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/carbs/progr...rad/entry.html
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/carbs/progr...rgradbrov7.pdf

It's interesting that the information on UCAS contradicts that on the actual website. I may shoot an email off to Cardiff and see what they say about the requirements.
Yes that would be very helpful.
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I thought 66 unis offered it (according to times), but I guess I was wrong :eek: I guess economics is not as popular as I first thought it was..
According to UCAS, 56 universities offer L100 Economics. Added to this, we know LSE use L101 instead of L100, bringing the total up to 57, and if we include Oxford, we have 58. More than double the 25 you guessed in an earlier post.

Also, The Times only list 64 Economics departments.
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According to UCAS, 56 universities offer L100 Economics. Added to this, we know LSE use L101 instead of L100, bringing the total up to 57, and if we include Oxford, we have 58. More than double the 25 you guessed in an earlier post.

Also, The Times only list 64 Economics departments.
sorry:o:
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sorry:o:
No hard feelings: I guess you must be mega mega stressed right now.
So near and yet so far.
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Also, according to the QMUL website, while only AS-Level Maths is necessary, having A-Level Maths is preferred.

Go to the very bottom where it reads 'Entry Requirements':
http://www.econ.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/l100.htm
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Also, according to the QMUL website, while only AS-Level Maths is necessary, having A-Level Maths is preferred.

Go to the very bottom where it reads 'Entry Requirements':
http://www.econ.qmul.ac.uk/undergraduate/l100.htm
Done. (I am happy to take website info where it adds to the statements made on UCAS. That is a different situation to where the 2 sources differ.).

Also whilst updating my spreadsheet I discovered that I had wrongly transcribed Manchester Bsc. I missed out that it is E**p: A-level Economics preferred.
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Explanation of the idea behind the red and purple colours:
From the typical offer versus average ucas points from all qualifications,
you can see which unis have to let in students with grades a lot lower
than their normal offer. And the "only" way they can have average
students with grades a lot lower than their typical is if they let in
low grade students through clearing.

Red unis "have" to be letting lower grade students in.
Finally as the league figures include all tariff qualifications not
just A-levels. So they should be and often are significantly higher
than the typical offer points. Purple unis don't have average tariffs
significantly above their typical offer (i.e. 30 points) so may well let
in a lot of students with sub-typical offer grades.

Here is an earlier post I made explaining the red and purple colours:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=643463

Green and Blue unis have average tariffs more than 120 or 60 points above their typical.
This equates to the average student have 1 extra A-level grade A (or 2 AS-levels grade a) in the green case or 1 extra AS-level grade a in the blue case.
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Yes that would be very helpful.
I have received a reply from Cardiff, and it turns out the UCAS information is the most recent and up-to-date.

The email I received:
Thank you for your email. Our entry requirement for 2009 entry for Economics is ABB at A level to include a B or above in Maths. Hope this clarifies the situation.
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I have received a reply from Cardiff, and it turns out the UCAS information is the most recent and up-to-date.

The email I received:
Thank you for your email. Our entry requirement for 2009 entry for Economics is ABB at A level to include a B or above in Maths. Hope this clarifies the situation.
Thanks for that. Interesting that in one year Cardiff have gone from GCSE B required to A-level required. e.g. they did not go through any AS-level required or A-level preferred stages. (e.g. I have checked the UCAS 2008 economics Cardiff entry gives no Maths related requirements.)
This is consistent with my belief that a number of places are less than open about their preferences and how strongly those preferences affect their selection decisions.
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I'm surprised ACS you got an email response so quickly this time of the year.
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I suspect the economics department sets the criteria whilst the central university implements them. So it is different people.
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I'm surprised ACS you got an email response so quickly this time of the year.
I know, I was really surprised myself. I contacted Wendy Brown, who deals with undergraduate admissions for the Cardiff Business School, directly and got a reply this morning.

I emailed Birmingham a week ago and am still to receive a reply. I thought I'd have to wait with Cardiff as well.
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I have just attached the spreadsheets I used both for the standard (A-level) version and the IB version to the appropriate posts. They give out a bit more detail for certain courses. Enjoy.
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The next thing I am thinking of adding in is the Scottish Qualifications.
I must get back to this soon.
Scottish data looks interesting: e.g. with my ordering the top ABB unis is Glasgow, the top BBB uni is Edinburgh, the top BBC uni is Strathclyde , top BCC uni is Heriot-Watt and the top 2 CCC unis are Dundee and Aberdeen.
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Edinburgh's entry tariff looks quite peculiar. Do they actually even take BBB students? If so then it's very possible that their upper-bound applicants are much stronger than most AAB schools. What else can raise their average tariff that high and still take BBB students? Btw I am referring to the AAB schools from the spreadsheet.
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Sorry for not adding in the scottish unis today but I did something else instead. I reviewed the unistat (http://www.unistats.com) data.
Discovered that for each unis course that this reviews the total UCAS points tariff for each candidate (i.e. A-level, As-levels and all other qualifications). This is the same series as examined in the 3 league tables. But this Also examines the tariff in 40 point groups:
119 or below 120-159 160-199 200-239 240-279 280-319 320-359 360-399 400-439 440 to 479 480 to 519 520 to 559 560-599 600 or more

Number of uses of this data.
So far I have "just" found out % of the intake that had a total tariff less than the typical offer. See the attached spreadsheet. Sheet 3 gives the group frequency. Sheet 4 gives the cummulative frequency. I will post those figures in the Economics Clearing 2008 thread.
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Again using the unistat data I have identified the median groups (given in green on page 4 of the spreadsheet below)
Nicely:
i) the only 480-519 or above unis are the top 5.
ii) Only the top 5 unis have more than 10% of students with 600 or more points.

In the final column I have used some artistic license to come up with a median set of A-level and AS results.
AAA (360 points)
Cambridge M** E**p 560-599 AAABbb
Oxford # M**p 520 to 559 AAABa
LSE M** 480 to 519 AAABb
Durham M* 440 to 479 AAAab
UCL M**A 480 to 519 AAABb
Nottingham (or AABB) M**pE**p440 to 479 AAAab


AAB (340 points)
Warwick (+b in fourth AS) M** 480 to 519 AABBb
Bristol M** 440 to 479 AAAB
York M**p 440 to 479 AAAB
Bath M**E**p 440 to 479 AAAB
St Andrews 440 to 479 AAAab
Leeds 400-439 AAAa
Southampton (or ABBb) M*c 400-439 AAAa
Exeter M**p 400-439 AABa
Manchester (BSc) M** E**p 400-439 AABa
SOAS 400-439 AAA
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