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    (Original post by zoidburg)
    I agree you can notice differences. If i were to compare a nicely specced Ford and a nicely specced Audi/BMW the price difference would be about £2000-5000. And that is just far too much for what's nothing more than the reputation of the badge. Who pays £22k for a base Audi. Badge-huggers. Who pays £18k for a new ST? All the people who sell them for £10k-11k. All I'm saying is that paying out a few grand for a sometimes better built car is too much. Most of the money is badge premium.
    Indeed if I was on a budget then I would much rather choose the high spec Ford than the low spec audi/bmw....its just common sense, but some people are obsessed with badges and would rather get the crap spec car than a high spec.
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    (Original post by Bavarian Motor Works)
    Indeed if I was on a budget then I would much rather choose the high spec Ford than the low spec audi/bmw....its just common sense, but some people are obsessed with badges and would rather get the crap spec car than a high spec.
    Exactly my point. I just can't understand peoples obsession with a badge. Lotus or Porsche. Lotus any day
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    (Original post by zoidburg)
    Exactly my point. I just can't understand peoples obsession with a badge. Lotus or Porsche. Lotus any day
    What makes it worse is the people who can JUST afford the base spec badge cars, then figure they can't actually afford to run it. And were expecting the running costs of the Ford or something.
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    (Original post by Bavarian Motor Works)
    What makes it worse is the people who can JUST afford the base spec badge cars, then figure they can't actually afford to run it. And were expecting the running costs of the Ford or something.
    To true. Surely they must realise a BMW 3 series will cost more than a Mondeo to insure :p: After all if i was going to swag a car it'd be an audi or bmw because i could then sell it for a bucket to badge huggers
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    Then all these badge huggers get these cars and they become common as anything losing the reason they even got the badge in the first place

    If I am being entirely honest I'd rather they not make base spec cars or put a even higher price premium on the base spec cars so that cheap numpties don't buy it for the badge. Hopefull increase the price margin between a high spec mondeo and a low spec badge car.
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    (Original post by Bavarian Motor Works)
    Then all these badge huggers get these cars and they become common as anything losing the reason they even got the badge in the first place
    The BMW 3 series still outsells the Mondeo. It's been like that for a few years now.
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    (Original post by Bavarian Motor Works)
    Yes the question is do you?

    Go sit in an e46 3 series, an octavia, and then a mazda6. You will understand everything then.
    no, the question was to you. explain to me what build quality means please cause from what youve wrote it doesnt sound like you know.

    i will understand everything then?, right so, please tell me how because even the best car expert would not be able to tell how good the overall build quality is just by sitting in a car. or are you referring to how comfortable the seats are? or how many fancy buttons the car has? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Lara C.)
    no, the question was to you. explain to me what build quality means please cause from what youve wrote it doesnt sound like you know.

    i will understand everything then?, right so, please tell me how because even the best car expert would not be able to tell how good the overall build quality is just by sitting in a car. or are you referring to how comfortable the seats are? or how many fancy buttons the car has? :rolleyes:
    No I am refeering to the quality of materials, how well the interior trim is put together, the quality of the buttons, the sturdiness of the materials and trim, the finish that is used on trims, the doors, the plastics, the aesthetics, the ergonomics, they all link to build quality. Hell even the indicators can give you a clue, just go look at the crap that is put on the saab 9-3 ffs.

    You do not have to drive the car to be able to roughly tell whether the car is built well or not.

    Please enlighten me to what you think build quality means

    If you were to sit in a typical jap crap car, like a mazda6 and then go sit in an octavia or 3 series, you would understand
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    (Original post by Bavarian Motor Works)
    No I am refeering to the quality of materials, how well the interior trim is put together, how the quality of the buttons, the sturdiness of the materials and trim, the finish that is used on trims, the doors, the plastics, the aesthetics, the ergonomics all link to build quality. Hell even the indicators can give you a clue, just go look at the crap that is put on the saab 9-3 ffs.

    You do not have to drive the car to be able to roughly tell whether the car is built well or not.

    Please enlighten me to what you think build quality means

    If you were to sit in a typical jap crap car, like a mazda6 and then go sit in an octavia or 3 series, you would understand
    well there we have it. your judging the entire build quality of a car purely on the materials used on the interior. if you think this is all what build quality means then you are sorely mistaken. i could put the interior of a new BMW into a L reg Escort van and youd be none the wiser!

    now i will enlighten you on what it is because you dont know. like i was expecting.

    first think you have to know is that the car, is an entity. the shape, the look, the dimensions etc. how the factory go about building and making this entity is the build quality. for example, say you think about building a square house out of lego. there are many different ways you could arrange all the different types of pieces into building that exact house. the way this has been done is the build quality.

    thats why japanese cars have very good bulid quality, if ever youve worked on a one you will know what i mean. all the pieces have been made in such a way that they suit their job brilliantly. in contrast to a german style car, which if you have ever worked on one before is built with the bigger picture in mind. germans tend to look at the entire car and build every piece so that it relates to all the others. japanese cars take a different outlook and design each piece to do its job individually.

    thats what build quality is. now you see why you cannot just sit inside a car and then automatically know how good the build quality is because all your looking at is the type of aethetic material that has been used, and how good it looks inside.

    if i was to show you this interior;


    youd say 'o well its all cheap plastics, and it looks ****, therefore the build quality is rubbish' right? well, absolutely not. the Toyota Celica has exceptional build quality. those cars are like tanks.
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    Yes but your average guy is not going to be looking at those type of cars and certainly not going to be looking at it like that .

    Your average guy is going to look at build quality as what I described, the quality of the materials used inside.

    You must get out of this mindset you have that all people look at a car the way you do. Your mindset is very unique and is not how other people view their cars.

    People view the build quality as I had explained earlier.

    If a average guy was to sit in a mazda6 and then into a 3 series, they would notice the materials, the feel, the quality all of it being different.
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    (Original post by Bavarian Motor Works)
    Yes but your average guy is not going to be looking at those type of cars and certainly not going to be looking at it like that .

    Your average guy is going to look at build quality as what I described, the quality of the materials used inside.

    You must get out of this mindset you have that all people look at a car the way you do. Your mindset is very unique and is not how other people view their cars.

    People view the build quality as I had explained earlier.

    If a average guy was to sit in a mazda6 and then into a 3 series, they would notice the materials, the feel, the quality all of it being different.
    by average guy do you mean the naive layman? cause if thats so then you can continue talking in your layman way. some of us are actually car enthusiasts and like to know these things. thats why we tend to discuss these matters here. so go away if your not interested in actually knowing what your talking about.
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    (Original post by Lara C.)
    by average guy do you mean the naive layman? cause if thats so then you can continue talking in your layman way. some of us are actually car enthusiasts and like to know these things. thats why we tend to discuss these matters here. so go away if your not interested in actually knowing what your talking about.
    roffles

    So what car would you pick out of interest, the mazda6 or the 3 series?

    Actually I take back the layman, he/she wouldn't notice a difference in materials, your average guy whos knows their cars would notice.
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    (Original post by Bavarian Motor Works)
    roffles

    So what car would you pick out of interest, the mazda6 or the 3 series?

    Actually I take back the layman, he/she wouldn't notice a difference in materials, your average guy whos knows their cars would notice.
    depends on the price, spec etc....

    i would never pay more just for the BMW badge which means **** all. its not even a good badge anyways, just better than the companies which make low cost cars such as Ford and Vauxhall. a real nice badge is something like Rolls Royce, Bentley, Bugatti, Aston Martin, etc, those are nice badges cause they symbolize incomparable quality and prestige.
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    The A3 is the sex to sit in, and that is my only valuable contribution.
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    (Original post by Lara C.)
    depends on the price, spec etc....

    i would never pay more just for the BMW badge which means **** all. its not even a good badge anyways, just better than the companies which make low cost cars such as Ford and Vauxhall. a real nice badge is something like Rolls Royce, Bentley, Bugatti, Aston Martin, etc, those are nice badges cause they symbolize incomparable quality and prestige.
    SOMEONE WHO SEES SENSE
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    I've got a soft-spot for the 118d, so I'd have that.

    Audi's are the work of satan. Having worked for a competitor, it's ingrained in my psyche.

    Audis are the new BMWs. Rep-mobiles that will cut you up.
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    Say what you want about build quality and that but Ford's interiors are nowhere near as nice as an Audi/BMW.
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    (Original post by stew1988)
    Lol.. ok.. a £15,000 car costs nothing...
    Id like to see what your driving round in at the moment..
    A Corsa.. Clio.. Saxo perhaps??

    Something Iv noticed on these car threads is that people talk so much crap in order to sound like Jeremy Clarkson or something.. Just be yourselves...!!
    I dont drive, i have a driver.
    I was just saying, imo, bmw's are better 1 series is close, but the 3's are still the definitive sports sedan, 5 series is better than the a6 my friend has an a6 and it rides really badly, but thats just me. 6 series = amazing and 7 series owns the a8 by far. Although, that new r8 is amazing.

    Think what you want though im just stating my point of view.
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    Your daft point of view.
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    (Original post by Connhk)
    I dont drive, i have a driver.
    his mum in her Citroen AX lol
 
 
 
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