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Should Flag Desecration Be Illegal in the United Kingdom? watch

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    Yes it should.
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    No it should not.
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    (Original post by Roses_and_Ribbons)
    glad to here you're leaving.
    And I'm glad to be leaving.

    (Original post by Roses_and_Ribbons)
    and to be honest, you should respect this country and be grateful for it as it was BRITISH nurses that brought you into the world,
    Not really my choice.

    (Original post by Roses_and_Ribbons)
    the BRITISH education system that will give you the qualifications you need to earn money and live,
    Actually I went to a private, fees-paid school. The British education system didn't do a goddamn thing for me. And as it happens I'd much rather have gone into the American schooling system since BRITISH A-level specialisation at 16-18 is pretty retarded.

    (Original post by Roses_and_Ribbons)
    you speak OUR language
    I also speak Latin; does that mean I'm also a child of the Tiber?

    (Original post by Roses_and_Ribbons)
    and have our customs. ITS YOUR COUNTRY THAT MADE YOU WHO YOU ARE.
    Then it did a damn poor job of it, given that I'm an anti-establishment anti-statist anti-nationalist anarchist.

    (Original post by Roses_and_Ribbons)
    from your BRITISH friends to your BRITISH family.
    You're making a pretty big assumption there.

    (Original post by Roses_and_Ribbons)
    and although you are too ungrateful to see it you are infact BRITISH and the flag that you want to desecrate is everything that has made you.
    I don't really want to desecrate the British flag, because it'd be pointless. Why would I want to burn fabric for no good reason? It's not some quasi-mystical item, it's a piece of cloth, ferchristsake.
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    (Original post by Roses_and_Ribbons)
    glad to here you're leaving.
    and to be honest, you should respect this country and be grateful for it as it was BRITISH nurses that brought you into the world,
    ...using medical knowledge amassed across the globe.

    And why assume that they're British just because they're working here?

    the BRITISH education system that will give you the qualifications you need to earn money and live,
    ...teaching subjects developed by doers and thinkers from all over the world.

    And that money only has value in the context of the global economy. Britain is not a self-sufficient nation.

    you speak OUR language and have our customs.
    ...which is the ******* child of Norse, French, Latin and whichever other language "our" occupiers spoke at the time, and which were brought to "us" by said occupiers.

    ITS YOUR COUNTRY THAT MADE YOU WHO YOU ARE. from your BRITISH friends to your BRITISH family.
    ...who clearly didn't derive their Britishness from the above melting pot of world cultures. Where it came from besides that is anyone's guess.

    and although you are too ungrateful to see it you are infact BRITISH and the flag that you want to desecrate is everything that has made you.
    ...that flag which has only been with us for 200 years and yet embodies everything which happened in the thousands before and after it.

    No, I don't think it's particularly compelling really.
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    (Original post by eulerwaswrong)
    there are far worse things that are being done atm which arent against the law. flag desecration is the least of our worries.

    anybody seen futurama on here?
    That Zoidberg. Whats he like.
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    (Original post by Roses_and_Ribbons)
    glad to here you're leaving.
    and to be honest, you should respect this country and be grateful for it as it was BRITISH nurses that brought you into the world, the BRITISH education system that will give you the qualifications you need to earn money and live, you speak OUR language and have our customs. ITS YOUR COUNTRY THAT MADE YOU WHO YOU ARE. from your BRITISH friends to your BRITISH family.
    and although you are too ungrateful to see it you are infact BRITISH and the flag that you want to desecrate is everything that has made you.
    You are a moron. A couple of people have broken down this post and ripped it apart before I could. Well said to those two (Em- and Numb3rboy)
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    (Original post by the__billy)
    You are a moron. A couple of people have broken down this post and ripped it apart before I could. Well said to those two (Em- and Numb3rboy)

    all i can say for now is that we clearly have differing opinions on the exact meaning of 'british' - im tired and going to sleep.
    I genuinely don't understand why people would stay in a country they hate enough to desecrate the flag


    and just for the record I'm not a moron mate my opinions differing to yours do not by any means make me less intelligent than you.
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    (Original post by J-E-N-O-V-A)
    Nope.

    I still don't really get what you're trying to say. Okay maybe sometimes dissent can be patriotic (if the government is pooey). But how can burning a flag be patriotic??? The government =/= the flag.
    You don't think that freedom to burn your own country's flag - the ultimate act of sacrilege - is a true affirmation of what it means to be British?
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    (Original post by Roses_and_Ribbons)
    all i can say for now is that we clearly have differing opinions on the exact meaning of 'british' - im tired and going to sleep.
    I genuinely don't understand why people would stay in a country they hate enough to desecrate the flag


    and just for the record I'm not a moron mate my opinions differing to yours do not by any means make me less intelligent than you.
    No, your post made assumptions that seemed illogical, maybe calling you a moron was harsh but that post was moronic.
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    (Original post by -Em-)
    Making an idol of the flag would be counter to the country's Christian heritage.
    Well, it is essentially Christian iconography. It shows the symbols of the three saints that Britons venerate at their own.
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    (Original post by Profesh)
    You don't think that freedom to burn your own country's flag - the ultimate act of sacrilege - is a true affirmation of what it means to be British?
    Nope.
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    (Original post by SamTheMan)
    Well the UK doesn't have the strong national identity that the US does. Whether you're from North Dakota or New Mexico you still revere the same flag. The same cannot be said for the UK.
    We don't even have a national day (probably the only State without one), the national anthem isn't really widely recognised and forget about having a flag recognised.
    The Scots, the Welsh and the English seem far more attached to their own flags (mainly due to football and rugby unfortunately, in the case of England at least).
    The USA differs greatly to the UK in matters of patriotism because it doesn't have the shared ancestry, history etc. that the UK (generally) has. Of course, the UK has a sizeable share of citizens descended from immigrants to the country, but not to the same extent as the USA.
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    (Original post by numb3rb0y)
    Then it did a damn poor job of it, given that I'm an anti-establishment anti-statist anti-nationalist anarchist.
    You also moan like a girl
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    (Original post by rockrunride)
    How would you punish me then?
    I would personally punch them in the mouth and then point out they were being racist towards me.
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    No, it shouldn't be illegal to destroy one's own property
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    (Original post by Darkel)
    No, it shouldn't be illegal to destroy one's own property
    This. People aren't burning 'your' flag, they are burning their own flag. If people want to senselessly destroy their own property, thats up to them.

    Giving two hoots about it (OH NO, someone is exercising their freedom of expression to show that they don't like the country, OH NO) really shows a great insecurity. If you start being so insecure as to punish people for disliking the country they are in, then you are justifying their claims.
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    (Original post by carrotboy)
    imo its not really an important issue, the time used can be spent on creating better, more relevant laws
    Yeah I agree it's pretty marginal
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    (Original post by lucho22)
    It's illegal in Argentina - and so it should be. It's borderline treason...
    I don't think we need to take our cue from Argentina. Argentina is not exactly known for it's attachment to liberty is it?

    No. Of course it shouldn't be illegal.
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    (Original post by Darkel)
    No, it shouldn't be illegal to destroy one's own property
    Then I should be able to walk into a mosque and burn a copy of the Koran, after all its my copy.

    Personally I don’t think it should be illegal, but I still expect to be able to kick the crap out of whoever does it, and get away with it.
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    By burning the British flag you are practicing what millions of British people died for: the right to disagree with everybody else around you.. It's practically one of the most patriotic things you can do because it shows that the blood spilt for this country was not spilt in vain.
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    (Original post by Varsity)
    Then I should be able to walk into a mosque and burn a copy of the Koran, after all its my copy.
    So long as you're entitled to be in that mosque and you avoid committing arson, I don't see why not!
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    (Original post by Varsity)
    Then I should be able to walk into a mosque and burn a copy of the Koran, after all its my copy.
    Your property. Unless its banned on somebody else's property (i.e. the mosque has burnt it) then you have every right to burn it.
 
 
 
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