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    I'm struggling to decide between early years and primary. I think primary might be better as it wouldn't limit me to a specific age range. But I prefer like the year ones and twos... If I apply for early years though I might apply to Leeds met and manchester met. What about you?


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    Remember if the uni you apply to does a single 'primary' course as 5-11 that's just an extra two years included in the age range (compared to 3-7). In some unis they even have two 4 year brackets (5-9, 7-11) within primary which you have to choose from, so there is no loss compared to Early Years.

    Also the age you train in does not determine your whole career - it's just where you are likely to start, and where you may feel more comfortable or confident at first.

    Also there is also the advantage with Early Years that you're training to two different ways of doing it, so you have both under your belt.

    Did you enjoy the time you spent in Nursery (trying to think in terms of the general structure etc and the age of the children, rather than things which vary from setting to setting)? If you did, then I'd recommend getting more experience in other Nursery/Reception classes and seeing if you really like it, and if you do go for Early Years! But if you didn't get on that much with the ethos and structure of the Nursery I'd say go for primary as for Early Years you need to be committed to that child-led, less structured ethos.

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    (Original post by Fabay)
    I'm struggling to decide between early years and primary. I think primary might be better as it wouldn't limit me to a specific age range. But I prefer like the year ones and twos... If I apply for early years though I might apply to Leeds met and manchester met. What about you?


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    Same as me, I like key stage 1 but am having trouble deciding early years or general primary!
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    (Original post by Fabay)
    I'm struggling to decide between early years and primary. I think primary might be better as it wouldn't limit me to a specific age range. But I prefer like the year ones and twos... If I apply for early years though I might apply to Leeds met and manchester met. What about you?


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    Yeh I know what you mean. I'm in my last year of an early childhood studies degree though so I've always had a preference for little ones I'm trying to stay local so will be applying at Greenwich and Canterbury Christ Church. Have you got time to get experience in a KS2 class? It might help you make up your mind


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    (Original post by steph_cook92)
    Yeh I know what you mean. I'm in my last year of an early childhood studies degree though so I've always had a preference for little ones I'm trying to stay local so will be applying at Greenwich and Canterbury Christ Church. Have you got time to get experience in a KS2 class? It might help you make up your mind


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    Ah right, I do childhood studies too but it's 0-18. Yeah I've worked with year 3 which I quite liked but defo preferred year one. The thought of teaching a year 5 or 6 class kinda scares me lol.


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    (Original post by polka_dott)
    Same as me, I like key stage 1 but am having trouble deciding early years or general primary!
    It's a hard decision cos I've hardly had any work experience in early years foundation stage. Have you worked with the older years?


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    (Original post by kpwxx)
    Remember if the uni you apply to does a single 'primary' course as 5-11 that's just an extra two years included in the age range (compared to 3-7). In some unis they even have two 4 year brackets (5-9, 7-11) within primary which you have to choose from, so there is no loss compared to Early Years.

    Also the age you train in does not determine your whole career - it's just where you are likely to start, and where you may feel more comfortable or confident at first.

    Also there is also the advantage with Early Years that you're training to two different ways of doing it, so you have both under your belt.

    Did you enjoy the time you spent in Nursery (trying to think in terms of the general structure etc and the age of the children, rather than things which vary from setting to setting)? If you did, then I'd recommend getting more experience in other Nursery/Reception classes and seeing if you really like it, and if you do go for Early Years! But if you didn't get on that much with the ethos and structure of the Nursery I'd say go for primary as for Early Years you need to be committed to that child-led, less structured ethos.

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    Thanks for the useful advice! Yeah Leeds uni do general primary but you can specific either 5-9 or 7-11.. Buts it's the only uni I can find (other than Cambridge) that does that. Maybe I've not looked properly. Yeah that's a good point but then you might be limited when it comes to jobs. Like if you really needed a job and the only age group going was like year 4.. You wouldn't be able to go for it regardless or whether you prefer that age group or not.
    Yeah I enjoyed it in nursery. I thought the kids were so cute and there was a lot more structure to what was going on , as opposed to the kids just "playing" they were learning through play. And I find it interesting how the activities actually link into the EYFS framework e.g. Role play would link into social skills etc. but as a volunteer, I found it quite boring because there wasn't as much to do cos the kids were kind of doing their own thing. But I found it useful talking to the teacher about what was going on and I think as a teacher I would have more to do.. As opposed to being a volunteer. I loved like the little things like the children saying please and thank you and praising them for e.g. Being a good listener or helping with something,


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    (Original post by Fabay)
    Thanks for the useful advice! Yeah Leeds uni do general primary but you can specific either 5-9 or 7-11.. Buts it's the only uni I can find (other than Cambridge) that does that. Maybe I've not looked properly. Yeah that's a good point but then you might be limited when it comes to jobs. Like if you really needed a job and the only age group going was like year 4.. You wouldn't be able to go for it regardless or whether you prefer that age group or not.
    Yeah I enjoyed it in nursery. I thought the kids were so cute and there was a lot more structure to what was going on , as opposed to the kids just "playing" they were learning through play. And I find it interesting how the activities actually link into the EYFS framework e.g. Role play would link into social skills etc. but as a volunteer, I found it quite boring because there wasn't as much to do cos the kids were kind of doing their own thing. But I found it useful talking to the teacher about what was going on and I think as a teacher I would have more to do.. As opposed to being a volunteer. I loved like the little things like the children saying please and thank you and praising them for e.g. Being a good listener or helping with something,


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    Yeah... There is a risk but I think it's a small one. The school will always go for the best candidate even if they're trained differently. I know someone who just did KS2 training and got a job in year 7/8, also someone who did KS1/lower KS2 and got a job in EYFS.

    Yes the training will go into how to really move on learning when you're playing with the children though it does still seem less rushed in terms of what you're doing than with older ones. But I think that's good... You have time to really focus on moving children along, go "I think I'll work with so and so on vocab today" or whatever, whereas in KS1 I felt rushed like all the children needed my guidance during each lesson at some point and I couldn't give it! It sounds like you're in to early years so I'd definitely at least have a look at other settings to help decide. Remember as week that in interview the uni will want to see a commitment to age range.

    I know uea split primary up like that, and I think there must be other unis around who would. Maybe look in to unis in locations which would suit you and see what they do. Or you could look in the UCAS big guide which lists all courses, I think your local library should have a copy.

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    (Original post by kpwxx)
    Yeah... There is a risk but I think it's a small one. The school will always go for the best candidate even if they're trained differently. I know someone who just did KS2 training and got a job in year 7/8, also someone who did KS1/lower KS2 and got a job in EYFS.

    Yes the training will go into how to really move on learning when you're playing with the children though it does still seem less rushed in terms of what you're doing than with older ones. But I think that's good... You have time to really focus on moving children along, go "I think I'll work with so and so on vocab today" or whatever, whereas in KS1 I felt rushed like all the children needed my guidance during each lesson at some point and I couldn't give it! It sounds like you're in to early years so I'd definitely at least have a look at other settings to help decide. Remember as week that in interview the uni will want to see a commitment to age range.

    I know uea split primary up like that, and I think there must be other unis around who would. Maybe look in to unis in locations which would suit you and see what they do. Or you could look in the UCAS big guide which lists all courses, I think your local library should have a copy.

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    Thank you for the advice. That's a good point, I guess once your trained I may be able to teach like year 3 cos that's like the next year up from year 2 etc. that's made me feel better lol. I think I'm going to go for early years but I'm a bit worried about my work experience.

    I did an 8 week placement in June/july and spent 3weeks with year 3, one week in nursery and 4weeks in year one. That one week in nursery is the only experience I've had with EYFS but I've mostly worked within KS1 not just in that 4 week placement but also volunteering in the past has usually been in year one or year two. Im waiting for my uni to find me a placement which should be sorted by November at the latest so I might see if that school would let me work in their reception class. I just hope I'm not taking a risk by applying for early years.. I mean in terms of my chances of getting a place on a early years PGCE.



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    (Original post by Fabay)
    Thank you for the advice. That's a good point, I guess once your trained I may be able to teach like year 3 cos that's like the next year up from year 2 etc. that's made me feel better lol. I think I'm going to go for early years but I'm a bit worried about my work experience.

    I did an 8 week placement in June/july and spent 3weeks with year 3, one week in nursery and 4weeks in year one. That one week in nursery is the only experience I've had with EYFS but I've mostly worked within KS1 not just in that 4 week placement but also volunteering in the past has usually been in year one or year two. Im waiting for my uni to find me a placement which should be sorted by November at the latest so I might see if that school would let me work in their reception class. I just hope I'm not taking a risk by applying for early years.. I mean in terms of my chances of getting a place on a early years PGCE.



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    Yeah, it's a tricky one... see how it goes in the meantime before applications open. You might know more about your placement before they do and be able to contact the school to arrange to go in reception for a while, then put that down as upcoming experience in your application. And then you may have had it by interview.

    Was it you who was really struggling to find anything? Have you tried asking round local Nurseries rather than schools, I know it would be good to have some reception as well but it would be better than nothing, you could maybe fit in a couple of afternoons in one nursery, a couple in another etc. Maybe if your uni has a Nursery for staff/students' children you could try there?

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    Anyone else feeling really frustrated about the lack of info available to 2014 applicants? UCAS is still redirecting to the GTTR for postgraduate course searches and the GTTR is still referring to 2013 applicants. Considering 2013 applicants have started now, it seems a bit slow to update. Annoying that we can't book skills tests either!
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    (Original post by kpwxx)
    Yeah, it's a tricky one... see how it goes in the meantime before applications open. You might know more about your placement before they do and be able to contact the school to arrange to go in reception for a while, then put that down as upcoming experience in your application. And then you may have had it by interview.

    Was it you who was really struggling to find anything? Have you tried asking round local Nurseries rather than schools, I know it would be good to have some reception as well but it would be better than nothing, you could maybe fit in a couple of afternoons in one nursery, a couple in another etc. Maybe if your uni has a Nursery for staff/students' children you could try there?

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    Well I've not struggled finding work experience in schools as I think I've done quite a bit. But, do need to some this year too and I'm doing the students into school scheme but just waiting to be placed. I think I will try the Nursery at my uni, they might be able to offer me something. Then maybe I could do both nursery and reception. Do you know when the PGCE deadline is this year?


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    (Original post by Fabay)
    Well I've not struggled finding work experience in schools as I think I've done quite a bit. But, do need to some this year too and I'm doing the students into school scheme but just waiting to be placed. I think I will try the Nursery at my uni, they might be able to offer me something. Then maybe I could do both nursery and reception. Do you know when the PGCE deadline is this year?


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    There is no longer a deadline for primary - it has been abolished. However, the unis can close applications if they've filled all their places, or close them then reopen them if they have too many applicants.

    Since in previous years people have only been able to apply for one course at a time but this year they can apply for three unis are likely to have a massive influx of applications, and because they have to respond within 40 days many of them may find they HAVE to close for a while to allow them time to process what they have.

    So basically, there is no closing date but the best advice is to get it done as soon as you're ready. However, don't give up hope if it's closed - keep checking back as they may well reopen (especially since some people may get more than one offer this year and decide to go for a different one, freeing up a place).

    One more thing to consider... Early Years courses sometimes take slightly longer to fill up since they are more specialised, meaning possibly less applicants and more specific things the unis are looking for. But this is not definite, and would depend on the uni etc (eg. if the uni has a really good rep for early years).

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    (Original post by kpwxx)
    There is no longer a deadline for primary - it has been abolished. However, the unis can close applications if they've filled all their places, or close them then reopen them if they have too many applicants.

    Since in previous years people have only been able to apply for one course at a time but this year they can apply for three unis are likely to have a massive influx of applications, and because they have to respond within 40 days many of them may find they HAVE to close for a while to allow them time to process what they have.

    So basically, there is no closing date but the best advice is to get it done as soon as you're ready. However, don't give up hope if it's closed - keep checking back as they may well reopen (especially since some people may get more than one offer this year and decide to go for a different one, freeing up a place).

    One more thing to consider... Early Years courses sometimes take slightly longer to fill up since they are more specialised, meaning possibly less applicants and more specific things the unis are looking for. But this is not definite, and would depend on the uni etc (eg. if the uni has a really good rep for early years).

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    Oh that sounds a lot better since applications open in November hopefully I may be lucky enough to find a placement in a nursery before then. Thanks for all the useful info! Where are you applying?


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    Thanks for your reply, BabyGirl. Yes, there is. I will email them tomorrow morning. Did you also do class observation? Can I ask what subject and level are you applying? I am applying from secondary spanish and french.
    Hi. Well I didn't really do observation because at the time I wasn't planning on being a teacher. I was registered with the uni volunteering department and the opportunity came up in a school 5 mins away from my house so I jumped at the chance to get some experience and improve my CV. I had thought about teaching before but then kind of forgot about it, but volunteering made me reconsider it because I enjoyed it so much. Oh it'll be primary early years probably Was all set for upper primary but then my new placement has made me change my mind. I was with year 3 before so they were quite young anyway.

    I've done some observation in my current one though, I'm sort of on 'work experience' twice a week, going down to one day a week now.
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    (Original post by kpwxx)
    There is no longer a deadline for primary - it has been abolished. However, the unis can close applications if they've filled all their places, or close them then reopen them if they have too many applicants.

    Since in previous years people have only been able to apply for one course at a time but this year they can apply for three unis are likely to have a massive influx of applications, and because they have to respond within 40 days many of them may find they HAVE to close for a while to allow them time to process what they have.

    So basically, there is no closing date but the best advice is to get it done as soon as you're ready. However, don't give up hope if it's closed - keep checking back as they may well reopen (especially since some people may get more than one offer this year and decide to go for a different one, freeing up a place).

    One more thing to consider... Early Years courses sometimes take slightly longer to fill up since they are more specialised, meaning possibly less applicants and more specific things the unis are looking for. But this is not definite, and would depend on the uni etc (eg. if the uni has a really good rep for early years).

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    Also, is a nursery class as part of a school still ok to get or would you recommend somewhere separate?


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    (Original post by Fabay)
    Also, is a nursery class as part of a school still ok to get or would you recommend somewhere separate?


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    A nursery class in a school is perfect . In general, whether it's in a school or a separate nursery they should follow the same principles, but in practice there is sometimes pressure from higher up schools pushing down (eg. more of a focus on literacy and maths) in ones attached to schools, but by no means always. I'd just get whichever you can, I just suggested separate nurseries as schools are sometimes busy and hard to get experience in, so that's another option.

    And I am not applying, I did a PGCE last year, I just can't give up my TSR addiction!!! Lol. And love helping other people out if I can. Just started a job in a Nursery class ^^

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    Anyone else feeling really frustrated about the lack of info available to 2014 applicants? UCAS is still redirecting to the GTTR for postgraduate course searches and the GTTR is still referring to 2013 applicants. Considering 2013 applicants have started now, it seems a bit slow to update. Annoying that we can't book skills tests either!


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    I think my personal statement is just about the worst thing I have ever read! I'm finding the structure of it really hard, as all the personal statements I have read vary so much from each other! I've had quite a lot of experience in both primary and secondary schools (I'm applying for secondary English), and I've taught one year 6 and one year 7 class in two of my 10-day experiences, but there's just not enough space to write about the planning of these lessons and then reflecting on these lessons! As well as then going on about mentoring and tutorials that I'm leading this year at uni! How is everyone else structuring theirs, and how much detail would you go into about each experience you've had? I'm an English student, I should be able to do this!
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    Hey, been as a few people are asking about it thought I'd post the basic structure I used for my (successful) primary application for last year. Just for an extra opinion Lines are in word, rounded, just to give an idea of the proportions.

    Intro - key inspiration for being a teacher [6 lines]
    What I noted about how children learn from observational placements [9 lines]
    Why I chose my age phase [6 lines]
    Brief mention of a book I read and what I got from it [5 lines]
    Transferable/academic skills and specific areas of expertise gained from degree/extracurricular etc [11 lines]
    Closing paragraph [4 lines]

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    Hey guys! I'm applying for my primary PGCE this year, to start in 2014 (obviously). I know that applications don't open until November 1st and we have to go through UCAS now, but I was just wondering if we were able to start filling in the application form before that date? Just so it's ready to send off on November 1st? Sorry, that may not make much sense. I mean is there anyway of starting it, i.e. filling in our personal statement, qualifications etc.

    Thank you for any help

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