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1. (Original post by Ilovemaths96)
q7a june 14 replaced paper,

why have they used that formula, isnt that the one for arc length?
it says curved surface area
2. (Original post by mmms95)
it says curved surface area
sorry still dont understand?
3. method for fining equation of line of intersecion of 2 planes?
4. For further maths a level, you're allowed to have FP1-3, M1, S2,M2 as part of it, right? So you don't need 3 AS units and 3A2 units ?

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5. (Original post by Ilovemaths96)
sorry still dont understand?
wait sorry, they are using surface area of revolution not arc length
6. Also, the system works to give your maximum grade in maths and further maths, it doesn't try to give max UMS to maths and put the lowest units in further maths, right?

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7. (Original post by mmms95)
wait sorry, they are using surface area of revolution not arc length
question asks for curved surface area and mark scheme uses arc length formula??
8. (Original post by BP_Tranquility)
Also, the system works to give your maximum grade in maths and further maths, it doesn't try to give max UMS to maths and put the lowest units in further maths, right?

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Yeah, grade in Maths prioritised before grade in FM before UMS in Maths before UMS in FM
9. (Original post by Ilovemaths96)
question asks for curved surface area and mark scheme uses arc length formula??
you're talking about june 2014 r right? the markscheme is not using arc length, look at the presence of 2pi
10. June 2014 ial question 5a
markscheme https://3a14597dd5c7aa2363f067571766...% 20Edexcel.pdf

qustion paper https://3a14597dd5c7aa2363f067571766...% 20Edexcel.pdf

also questions 7a, how to you simplify 720^3/2 x2/9 ???? calc doesn't give exact ans???

and question8d, i don't understand why they have used 2i+j+3k as the point a i thought A in the vector equation of a line is a point on the line, but they have used the direction vector of it???
11. (Original post by mmms95)
you're talking about june 2014 r right? the markscheme is not using arc length, look at the presence of 2pi
sorry got my formulas mixed up. thanks
12. (Original post by Ilovemaths96)
method for fining equation of line of intersecion of 2 planes?
Find the cross product of their normals as this is in the direction of both planes
This is your direction vector (well you can often cancel scalar common factors to get the lowest form direction vector)
Then to find a point of intersection you can generally just set x, y or z = 0 and solve the resulting simultaneous equations (the cartesian equation of each plane)
13. (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
Find the cross product of their normals as this is in the direction of both planes
This is your direction vector (well you can often cancel scalar common factors to get the lowest form direction vector)
Then to find a point of intersection you can generally just set x, y or z = 0 and solve the resulting simultaneous equations (the cartesian equation of each plane)
Thanks
14. (Original post by Gome44)
I am fairly certain you mean FLHR given your explaination .

This is the grip rule:
Na grip rule.
15. (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
Find the cross product of their normals as this is in the direction of both planes
This is your direction vector (well you can often cancel scalar common factors to get the lowest form direction vector)
Then to find a point of intersection you can generally just set x, y or z = 0 and solve the resulting simultaneous equations (the cartesian equation of each plane)
Sorry how can we just set x y or z to 0? How do we know we can do this, and also set it to 0 in what? Both planes' equations?

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16. (Original post by chughes17)
Sorry how can we just set x y or z to 0? How do we know we can do this, and also set it to 0 in what? Both planes' equations?

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Yes to both planes' equations. I am not quite sure; I have some ideas but on a practical level it is an ends justifies the means thing. If you set x = 0, for instance, and this generates y and z values that satisfy both plane equations, then it is clear that setting x = 0 was valid.

It is quite simple to see that setting x = 0 in one plane (unless the equation of the plane is x = c for some constant that does not equal 0) will generate valid values so long as there are variable y and z terms. As for intersecting planes, assuming that x, y, or z = 0 (unless one is a constant as said before) will not do any harm usually. I believe it is possible that this could be invalid, but if it is, this invalidity will be presented to you by your calculations not working out and you will need to try a different avenue. I've tried looking at the general case algebraically and I think there are possible problems depending on the relationships between the coefficients of each term, but typically if setting one value equal to zero doesn't work you can probably try the others and it will.

I don't think the zero approach has ever not worked in an edexcel question; I imagine if it didn't there would be some other more obvious quick way to find an intersection point.
17. just a quick shout out to edexcel for clashing this with s2
18. (Original post by 0beany0)
just a quick shout out to edexcel for clashing this with s2
Their organization is as good as their papers
19. (Original post by 0beany0)
just a quick shout out to edexcel for clashing this with s2
And M1 and FP2 a few weeks ago! I've had some brilliant 3+ hour long streaks this year.
20. (Original post by bwr19)
And M1 and FP2 a few weeks ago! I've had some brilliant 3+ hour long streaks this year.
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just a quick shout out to edexcel for clashing this with s2
An "academic person" should be able to maintain concentration for this period of time.
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