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    (Original post by Rtdsv)
    How could you prove that God did something when the other is persistent in saying it has to be from something other than God and results in waiting until theres a scientific explanation even if there isnt one?

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    dont understand u
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    I personally see no reason why the mind and consciousness cannot arise from a system of electrical impulses and chemical reactions within the brain. It's maybe not so nice a thought to have but I would say that even a mothers love for her child is simply this played out. I would expect most people to disagree with this, even if they are/appear pro science. Like everyone I try to discuss this with has told me to shut up...
    Isnt this a similar concept to dark matter etc.

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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    I personally see no reason why the mind and consciousness cannot arise from a system of electrical impulses and chemical reactions within the brain. It's maybe not so nice a thought to have but I would say that even a mothers love for her child is simply this played out. I would expect most people to disagree with this, even if they are/appear pro science. Like everyone I try to discuss this with has told me to shut up...
    I agree with this.

    There is and I suspect never will be, a scientific reason for believing in God. The first question would be - which God? With so many on offer.

    However, logic can give you a reason for not believing in God, as I suspect science will also be able to eventually.

    God is just an ancient superstitious explanation for things we don't understand in the meantime. Particularly, mathematical coincidence, which people always seem to attribute to God. For example "How else do you explain the fact that we exist" etc.

    I have never seen any compelling evidence for God. People keep claiming explanations, but these explanations never really live up to their claims.

    Sooner the world wakes up and incorporates aetheism, the better all round for mankind IMHO. But I don't think that'll ever happen. The pull of superstition and fear is too strong.
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    (Original post by Rtdsv)
    Isnt this a similar concept to dark matter etc.

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    It's certainly a little dark! But no, not related. Dark matter is still yet to be observed matter that physicists believe composes the majority of matter in the universe. Supposedly 30% of the effective density of the universe is matter, but less than 5% of this is baryonic matter- the 'light' stuff.

    We can't observe dark matter, but measuring the amount of matter within our galaxy which we are able to do because this matter interacts via gravity, tells us that there is far more matter here than we have to date accounted for via direct observation.
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    (Original post by mangala)
    scientific, logical evidence which points towards the existence of god

    convert me from atheism
    no need for evidence
    that's the point of believing in God
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    Everyone;

    Tell us, if you can remember them, moments you experienced when you realised that the world was a non- trivial, non-mystical place where God probably never existed....or moments of realisation/learning that built on your atheism/agnosticism.....

    Simple as it is F=ma was one for me
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    no need for evidence
    that's the point of believing in God
    Why should anyone though? What wrong would a believer be doing in simply asking for evidence?
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    Why should anyone though? What wrong would a believer be doing in simply asking for evidence?
    lol a believer wouldn't ask for evidence though
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    (Original post by frankieboy)
    I agree with this.

    There is and I suspect never will be, a scientific reason for believing in God. The first question would be - which God? With so many on offer.

    However, logic can give you a reason for not believing in God, as I suspect science will also be able to eventually.

    God is just an ancient superstitious explanation for things we don't understand in the meantime. Particularly, mathematical coincidence, which people always seem to attribute to God. For example "How else do you explain the fact that we exist" etc.

    I have never seen any compelling evidence for God. People keep claiming explanations, but these explanations never really live up to their claims.

    Sooner the world wakes up and incorporates aetheism, the better all round for mankind IMHO. But I don't think that'll ever happen. The pull of superstition and fear is too strong.
    Yeah probably a pipe dream, the world becoming atheist. But think how far a little education would go in some of our schools! Especially those where the majority come from more disadvantaged socio-economic backgrounds or come from religious families. A way to nip in the bud fundamental religious ideologies?
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    lol a believer wouldn't ask for evidence though
    No, that's a language game you're playing there...you can believe in something and want evidence too, obviously.
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    no need for evidence
    that's the point of believing in God
    doesnt make god real though
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    lol a believer wouldn't ask for evidence though
    Which is why it simply stays as "belief" and not "knowledge".

    I "choose to believe" in Santa Claus. And unicorns. And no one can actually prove they don't exist.

    Difference is that Santa Claus and unicorns aren't the basis of half the world slaughtering the other half. Or living their lives in superstitious fear. Or trying to induct other people into their religious cults.

    Talking of which -

    Christianity is the biggest, most successful religious cult worldwide. Closely followed by Islam. I have to admit, I admire the power of these organisations, especially when it comes to the smokescreening of logic when challenged. They really have hooked people in good and proper. The psychological trickery offered by these cults is incredibly impressive and I can fully understand why people are taken in by it.
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    No, that's a language game you're playing there...you can believe in something and want evidence too, obviously.
    I don't play games
    believing is a choice
    you can believe in anything

    look at the sky, doesnt that make you think
    that maybe you should be feeling the presence of God
    instead of wanting to see him with your eyes
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    No, that's a language game you're playing there...you can believe in something and want evidence too, obviously.
    In my experience it's useless arguing.

    These cults have thousands of years of the cleverest minds working out pseudo logical smokescreens for even the most difficult and logical of arguments against them. They, in effect, have it all wrapped up.

    There is no logical or scientific argument that you can present to the contrary of these cults which they cannot refute with one platitude or another. They have better defence than Floyd Mayweather.
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    I don't play games
    believing is a choice
    you can believe in anything

    look at the sky, doesnt that make you think
    that maybe you should be feeling the presence of God
    instead of wanting to see him with your eyes
    So -

    1 : If I tell you I believe in Santa Claus, vampires, werewolves, and the old favourite, the flying spaghetti monster, you're seriously telling me that is acceptable?

    And no. Looking at the sky does not make me think I should be feeling the presence of God.
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    (Original post by pvaz6965)
    That is pure unadulterated crap usually termed delusion.
    or
    maybe i see the world different to you
    i can say the same about you not believing in God lol
    but i respect your views
    maybe you should respect mine?
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    or
    maybe i see the world different to you
    i can say the same about you not believing in God lol
    but i respect your views
    maybe you should respect mine?
    why are u writing like a poem
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    I don't play games
    believing is a choice
    you can believe in anything

    look at the sky, doesnt that make you think
    that maybe you should be feeling the presence of God
    instead of wanting to see him with your eyes
    Yes it does seem that you can "believe in anything"....

    Please explain the sky comment...I'm quite lost
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    (Original post by mangala)
    why are u writing like a poem
    because i want to

    was that your counter argument btw?
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    or
    maybe i see the world different to you
    i can say the same about you not believing in God lol
    but i respect your views
    maybe you should respect mine?
    That is not what I disagreed with. And I never said I didn't believe in God. You need to be careful with language and assumptions.
 
 
 
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