There is no evidence for God

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    (Original post by davidguettafan)
    So why do people still believe in God?


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    There isn't supposed to be evidence as then everyone WOULD do "good" KNOWING that if they don't they WILL go to HELL. There are messengers and books to guide us on what "good" is but it is up to us whether we want to follow. It's a test.

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    (Original post by SunnysideSea)
    If you have an 'absence of belief' it follows that you don't think God exists. (You couldn't have an 'absence of belief' and yet still think God did exist). So please explain how your redefintion of atheism holds any water.
    I am not redefining anything. athiest is the active disbelief in God. that's why people claim to be atheist and what atheists claim.
    No redefinition.

    focus on point please.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    Not really.There is nothing to say that this universe couldnt have existed forever.There is also no consensus on whether its actually infinite or not.
    The universe began with big bang. is that the going theory? for something to be created, it is not infinite. or so I would not suspect.

    For the universe to exist, would it not exist into an area that may have already existed?


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    (Original post by da_nolo)
    The universe began with big bang. is that the going theory? for something to be created, it is not infinite. or so I would not suspect.

    For the universe to exist, would it not exist into an area that may have already existed?


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    The universe is not an object, it is literally everything: time, space, matter, energy etc. The universe could not have been created into a space because that would require the existence of the time and spatial parts of the universe already
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    (Original post by mikkolia)
    There isn't supposed to be evidence as then everyone WOULD do "good" KNOWING that if they don't they WILL go to HELL. There are messengers and books to guide us on what "good" is but it is up to us whether we want to follow. It's a test.

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    Why would an all powerful, all knowing God need to do a test? Even if he did, surely all revelation will have done is make the easily gulled not participate properly in the test?
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    (Original post by da_nolo)
    I have not been running around. otherwise you may present example.

    I have provided evidence an agnostic is neutral in stance. this is how agnostics explain themselves or so the ones I talked to. this is how definitions are explained in my dictionary and the ones online that I put the time in to look at.

    I have already stated I will not change my usage especially when you have not come up with a term to take place of agnosticism.

    regardless to what terms you wish to use I have explained my point in detail so you could use any terminology. which you and others have indeed run around.

    not sure if God exist = agnostic.
    God exist = theist/diest.
    God doesn't exist = atheist.

    if you think God does not exist there would be a reason why. I asked Why. but still no response.

    for those who say there is not enough evidence for God and therefore He does not exist. that is a fallacy. appeal to ignorance.
    Try googling Russell's teapot.
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    (Original post by da_nolo)
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    Since you want someone to provide evidence that God doesn't exist I will do so.

    Firstly you have to define God, one cannot disprove something when you can keep changing your definition.

    Obviously it's pretty straightforward to disprove the abrahamic God since the various religious texts make claims which defy physics and the knowledge we have on the history of the universe. Considering we know how everything happened from the Big Bang of just a point of energy to the universe now from straightforward physics you have a god which basically doesn't do anything. Arguably the only 'reason' to believe in God is because of the afterlife which is both immoral and physically impossible. Immoral because creating someone to make a finite error then torturing them for eternity for it is immoral. Physically impossible because we know consciousness arises from physical interactions in the brain. A person's consciousness IS the physical brain itself which means you cannot separate the physical brain from the consciousness and magic the consciousness out of the universe.
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    (Original post by da_nolo)
    That is your opinion. You have a claim. Any person to have said or to say they are athiest is saying "there is no God." to have come to that decision because a lack of "evidence" it is an appeal to ignorance.

    If this is not true than no one would claim themselves to being an atheist when just being skeptical. you would just be agnostic. To have no claim. to admit you can not say God exists or does not exist.
    What you just said makes no sense at all
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    (Original post by D3LLI5)
    The universe is not an object, it is literally everything: time, space, matter, energy etc. The universe could not have been created into a space because that would require the existence of the time and spatial parts of the universe already
    Actually, as far as I'm aware the general consensus is that there was no time before the big bang. Space-time itself was created during the big bang. There's no way to tell what came before that, because there WAS no before.

    I think my favourite interpretation of this is that perhaps the universe oscillates, collapsing in on itself, then bursting back out, each with a different set of natural laws... But who knows eh.



    As far as the existence of a god, if one did exist, I most definitely would not worship it. Take a look at the world, it could only be evil... :] hail satan tralala
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    (Original post by da_nolo)
    I am not redefining anything. athiest is the active disbelief in God. that's why people claim to be atheist and what atheists claim.
    No redefinition.

    focus on point please.
    Having an absence of belief implies you don't think God exists. So to justify your position you still have to show why God does not exist and why, therefore, you lack belief (you share the burden proof).

    Definitely a redefinition (to get you out of any intellectual legwork)
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    My two cents: Creationists will always fall back on the 0% evidence of their God-worshipping ideas by claiming that science is never 100% because while there exists evidence to prove a scientific theory, that doesn't mean there is no evidence to disprove that same theory because it has not yet been found. ("proof of fact A" =/= "no proof of not[fact A]")

    Does that make sense?
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    (Original post by RobML)
    Sure convinced me.

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    You dont need to be convinced.
    You can still be aware of something/someone, but because of your adamant mind you still wont accept it and be convinced. Its your choice.
    Grab the parachute before jumping off the plane
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    (Original post by SunnysideSea)
    If you have an 'absence of belief' it follows that you don't think God exists. (You couldn't have an 'absence of belief' and yet still think God did exist). So please explain how your redefintion of atheism holds any water.
    It holds water by being an absence of belief, that's what an agnostic atheist is.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    It holds water by being an absence of belief, that's what an agnostic atheist is.
    But to have an 'absence of belief' it implies you think there is no God. So to justify having an 'absence of belief' you need to show why there is no God.
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    An agnostic says I want evidence. There isn't really any evidence for God, thus the agnostic will probably lean towards atheism.

    ^ me


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    (Original post by da_nolo)
    I am not redefining anything. athiest is the active disbelief in God. that's why people claim to be atheist and what atheists claim.
    No redefinition.

    focus on point please.
    This is an outright lie. Most atheists do not claim to have an active disbelief in God, most claim to be agnostic atheists.
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    (Original post by SunnysideSea)
    But to have an 'absence of belief' it implies you think there is no God. So to justify having an 'absence of belief' you need to show why there is no God.
    No, because thinking or suspecting there is no God is not the same as having an active disbelief, it is lacking a belief until evidence is provided.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    No, because thinking or suspecting there is no God is not the same as having an active disbelief, it is lacking a belief until evidence is provided.
    But an 'absence of belief' is exactly the same as saying you 'disbelieve' in it. They're both ways of saying that in your opinion God does not exist, which needs to be justified. You either believe or you don't, there's no silly middle ground,
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    (Original post by SunnysideSea)
    But an 'absence of belief' is exactly the same as saying you 'disbelieve' in it. They're both ways of saying that in your opinion God does not exist, which needs to be justified. You either believe or you don't, there's no silly middle ground,
    That's absolutely false. Absence of belief and active disbelief are two different things which if why agnosticism and gnosticism exist. They wouldn't if what you say is true.

    I am an agnostic atheist and I don't have an active disbelief in God, I lack belief.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    Right just like you cant prove that all the other thousands of gods throughout history dont exist.Perhaps we should be bowing down to zeus right now in case he gets angry and decides to blow us apart with his thunderbolts.Or maybe hades he seems like a fun guy.Most of us are all atheists about all the other gods that have ever existed some of us just go one god further.
    So what are you trying to say?
 
 
 
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