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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    Ruthless from Joker

    Just do what I do and move to America and become a rich business Psychologist
    Even without Trump at the helm, it's hard to manufacture a move to the states numbnuts. Best setting up a fake marriage.
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    "F*ck sake Rickon have you not seen Apocalypto". Lol'ing.
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    Was so pissed when Rickon was running from the arrows. I was like is this **** seriously running in a straight line.
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    Ramsay's a clever ******* though (pun intended). Was toying with Jon by making him think there was a chance Rickon would survive and just ended it the last second.

    Cant wait for the finale. TOJ reveal + King/Queen of the North + Kings Landing. + Bran.
    Gon be good.
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    Does anyone actually believe Pistorius? Going on TV was a foolish mistake.
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    Nah he had previous. Don't know what his story is, but if he wakes up, his girl isn't next to him in bed, he gets up and sees someone's in the bathroom, yet logic dictates that its a burgler and the only course of action is to fire shots.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    I saw an article which showed that areas which has a higher number of immigrant influx, were more in favour of remaining whereas areas which had less numbers of immigrants, were more in favour of leaving :rolleyes:

    Similarly the older the voter, the higher the proportion of voting leave.

    Cameron should've stayed and cut the pensions for all the old people out of spite.
    People keep talking about the age devide.. but very few people are talking about the race devide.

    as you say above - areas with high immigration voted much more in favour of staying in.. that coupled with polling beforehand, and my own perception would lead me to strongly believe that if we had the data, you would see an extraordinary split down racial lines when it comes to voting. oved

    Its very clear that white british people voted hugely in favour of leaving - infact, I would go as far as saying if you removed the non-white votes, it would have been an absolute landslide victory for leave.

    So many lines we are devided by now, and whilst very few are new - race, age scotland/england etc - they have all just become a little more serrious
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    You whole starting premise was that trying to make a decision within a big group isn't often possible so you shouldn't bother. I'm giving you the flip side when everyone else makes the effort to decide together whereas you want to go off and make your own decision - i.e. eat alone.

    If you can't follow that, probably explains why you voted leave :awesome:

    "the belief in freedom and equality between people, or a system of government based on this belief, in which power is either held by elected representatives or directly by the people themselves"

    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dict...lish/democracy

    Is that sufficiently looking up the definition? Was the first link on google for me.

    How can you think it is less democratic to have everyone have a vote for themselves rather than elect someone to decide on their behalf?

    No reason why, with the technology involved, that we're not able to make a democratic vote decision on matters other than voting in the general election and local elections etc a couple of times every 5 years.
    I hope you don't go by that website. Even urban dictionary is more accurate. Wiki is always goat for these sort of things https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

    If that dictionary is right then we live in an undemocratic world. No reasonable person has claimed that. My premise is reality- everyone wants different thing and would never be pleased. Your premise seems to believe that you can get ordinary people to compromise which is just fanciful Disney tale.

    Look at what just happened we held a vote the result didn't please the minority now they want to force another vote. And your premise is that we should have another so we please them. Same thing happend at the last ge. How is anything going to get done? We'd still be debating how to deal with the recession. You can try and talk but people don't change their mind. That's reality. You'll be stuck in first gear forever.

    I voted remain though.
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    (Original post by Kenan and Kel)
    Even without Trump at the helm, it's hard to manufacture a move to the states numbnuts. Best setting up a fake marriage.
    Mate pls, with the right experience and qualifications, you can go anywhere.

    I'd (obviously) speak the language, have a masters degree and at least several years experience in my chosen field - making the move wouldn't be easy but that just means it's worth doing.
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    Mate pls, with the right experience and qualifications, you can go anywhere.

    I'd (obviously) speak the language, have a masters degree and at least several years experience in my chosen field - making the move wouldn't be easy but that just means it's worth doing.
    Everyone speaks English and there's no demand for psychologists :holmes:
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    (Original post by difeo)
    Everyone speaks English and there's no demand for psychologists :holmes:
    Business is huge in America.
    Psychology is huge in America.

    Pls don't crush my dreams
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    (Original post by Kenan and Kel)
    Even without Trump at the helm, it's hard to manufacture a move to the states numbnuts. Best setting up a fake marriage.
    Well I guess I can do that.
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    (Original post by Jimmy Seville)
    Nah he had previous. Don't know what his story is, but if he wakes up, his girl isn't next to him in bed, he gets up and sees someone's in the bathroom, yet logic dictates that its a burgler and the only course of action is to fire shots.
    Fire 4 shots too. He was aiming to kill.
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    Morning referendum thoughts:

    1.
    The more time that passes, the more hardcore remainers are pissing me off. At first it was their over dramatic reactions, but now its their seemingly utter determination and resolve that england MUST now fall. Im starting to feel like some voters actually want england to fail now, because they are so determined not to have their perception of the referendum shattered, and not to have to be wrong.

    2.
    This whole F* * * the old thing is awful.

    So many idiots on this forum with posts like:

    'Why can 16 year olds vote, when 65+ year olds can????? its not fair!!! its our future!!!'

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    Sure it is.. just as every decision you take can have an effect on your future.. but try telling your parents that the next time you want to do something stupid, and I am sure that arguement wont fly for long. Point is, just because its your future, does not mean you know what is best for it.

    Personally I know who I trust between an older person who has worked for years, has a wealth of experiance, has raised a family, supported them for years, held a lot of responsibility, and lived through decades of ups and downs..

    Compared to a 16 year old (or even 18 year old.. or even 20 year old) who has never experienced anything first hand out of Education.

    I am sure the older members here can agree that you change a lot after graduation.. you change a huge amount more after you have worked for a few years.. and I am guess(not quite there yet) you change even more when you have children to support. As of yet those 16 year olds have never experianecd real indipendnace, real responsibilities, the pressure of full-time work, having to support other people financially, having to budget properly... **** it, even most uni students are still shite at those things. (generalisations here ofcourse, obviously there will exceptions)

    So yeah, you know better then an over 65? Maybe.. its possible.. but if I were staking my life on who would make the best decisions for the country.. if I had to fill a goverment with only 1 age group, I would pick over 65s, over 16-18 year olds any day of the week.

    - And in part, exactly for the level of immaturity many are showing on this forum today. Utter disregard for democracy, for the result, for others oppinions.

    ---

    So why did young people vote so overwhelmingly to stay in the EU? and old people vote to leave?

    For me I personally think the difference in oppinion comes from:

    Young voters:
    1- Tend to be much more left-wing and idealistic
    2- Tend to band together, peer pressure is much larger, those who care less, will just do what is popular
    3- They have less to loose, and therefor less fear of immigration
    4- They are heavily influenced by those above them, and a vast majority of teachers + academics want to stay
    5- They are heavily influenced by creative media, which is run by a vast majority of people who want to stay
    6- they have different social values to older people, placing equality much higher
    7- they have a tenancy to back authority figures (see teachers) which also includes 'experts'
    8- They have only ever known life within the EU, and have no reference for comparison
    9- They are largely sheltered from the effects of mass immigration
    10-Their own immediate future is with Universities, that currently depend heavily on the EU
    11- Their life is much less stable then older people, and as such are more effected by changes to the status quo
    12- They are generally against ideas that challenge the accepted way. (see safe-spaces, no platforming, etc.)

    Why do old people vote to leave?
    1- Nostalgia. they remember a 'better' time before the EU
    2- Patriotism, they grew up in an era which was far more patriotic then the current UK
    3- Long term change, they have seen the effects of globalization on the UK over many years
    4- Old-fashioned social prejudices, racism and the like
    5- A lack of risk.. they can be free to make ideological decisions, knowing they have pensions/savings and wont be around long
    6- They don't give a **** about what you think. And are happy to vote for an unpopular opinion
    7- Living for so long, they have developed a much greater skepticism then young voters towards those in charge, including experts.
    8- They are more patient. 3 years of troup is a huge amount of time for a young person, but a drop in the ocean for an older person
    9- They are less likely to research, and more likely to vote on instinct

    Point is:

    I blame old people for a lot in this country, and truly believe that previous generations have royally ****ed up the housing market.. but you still cant stop them voting, and you still cant presume that just because you have to live with the effects of a decision, it means you have a right to, or the ability to make the correct decision.

    My 16 year old students that I am about to teach have to live with the education I give them for the rest of their life, but there is no way in hell I am letting him choose how it happens.. because I don't want to be sitting in the middle of a shitstorm of chaotic games and fun that they would choose to organise.
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    (Original post by fallen_acorns)
    Morning referendum thoughts:

    1.
    The more time that passes, the more hardcore remainers are pissing me off. At first it was their over dramatic reactions, but now its their seemingly utter determination and resolve that england MUST now fall. Im starting to feel like some voters actually want england to fail now, because they are so determined not to have their perception of the referendum shattered, and not to have to be wrong.

    2.
    This whole F* * * the old thing is awful.

    So many idiots on this forum with posts like:

    'Why can 16 year olds vote, when 65+ year olds can????? its not fair!!! its our future!!!'

    Spoiler:
    Show
    Sure it is.. just as every decision you take can have an effect on your future.. but try telling your parents that the next time you want to do something stupid, and I am sure that arguement wont fly for long. Point is, just because its your future, does not mean you know what is best for it.

    Personally I know who I trust between an older person who has worked for years, has a wealth of experiance, has raised a family, supported them for years, held a lot of responsibility, and lived through decades of ups and downs..

    Compared to a 16 year old (or even 18 year old.. or even 20 year old) who has never experienced anything first hand out of Education.

    I am sure the older members here can agree that you change a lot after graduation.. you change a huge amount more after you have worked for a few years.. and I am guess(not quite there yet) you change even more when you have children to support. As of yet those 16 year olds have never experianecd real indipendnace, real responsibilities, the pressure of full-time work, having to support other people financially, having to budget properly... **** it, even most uni students are still shite at those things. (generalisations here ofcourse, obviously there will exceptions)

    So yeah, you know better then an over 65? Maybe.. its possible.. but if I were staking my life on who would make the best decisions for the country.. if I had to fill a goverment with only 1 age group, I would pick over 65s, over 16-18 year olds any day of the week.

    - And in part, exactly for the level of immaturity many are showing on this forum today. Utter disregard for democracy, for the result, for others oppinions.

    ---

    So why did young people vote so overwhelmingly to stay in the EU? and old people vote to leave?

    For me I personally think the difference in oppinion comes from:

    Young voters:
    1- Tend to be much more left-wing and idealistic
    2- Tend to band together, peer pressure is much larger, those who care less, will just do what is popular
    3- They have less to loose, and therefor less fear of immigration
    4- They are heavily influenced by those above them, and a vast majority of teachers + academics want to stay
    5- They are heavily influenced by creative media, which is run by a vast majority of people who want to stay
    6- they have different social values to older people, placing equality much higher
    7- they have a tenancy to back authority figures (see teachers) which also includes 'experts'
    8- They have only ever known life within the EU, and have no reference for comparison
    9- They are largely sheltered from the effects of mass immigration
    10-Their own immediate future is with Universities, that currently depend heavily on the EU
    11- Their life is much less stable then older people, and as such are more effected by changes to the status quo
    12- They are generally against ideas that challenge the accepted way. (see safe-spaces, no platforming, etc.)

    Why do old people vote to leave?
    1- Nostalgia. they remember a 'better' time before the EU
    2- Patriotism, they grew up in an era which was far more patriotic then the current UK
    3- Long term change, they have seen the effects of globalization on the UK over many years
    4- Old-fashioned social prejudices, racism and the like
    5- A lack of risk.. they can be free to make ideological decisions, knowing they have pensions/savings and wont be around long
    6- They don't give a **** about what you think. And are happy to vote for an unpopular opinion
    7- Living for so long, they have developed a much greater skepticism then young voters towards those in charge, including experts.
    8- They are more patient. 3 years of troup is a huge amount of time for a young person, but a drop in the ocean for an older person
    9- They are less likely to research, and more likely to vote on instinct

    Point is:

    I blame old people for a lot in this country, and truly believe that previous generations have royally ****ed up the housing market.. but you still cant stop them voting, and you still cant presume that just because you have to live with the effects of a decision, it means you have a right to, or the ability to make the correct decision.

    My 16 year old students that I am about to teach have to live with the education I give them for the rest of their life, but there is no way in hell I am letting him choose how it happens.. because I don't want to be sitting in the middle of a shitstorm of chaotic games and fun that they would choose to organise.
    I agree. The way I see it is generally younger people are more optimistic and are more susceptible. I also think at times they have more of a laissez-faire attitude whilst I think older votes are in general a little more pessimistic in believing what rhetoric has been stated and therefore have more of a negative view to an extent, maybe due to past experiences.
    That what I see anyway.
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    If you cannot be deemed responsible enough to drive yourself to a polling station what business have you got doing anything there. Not to mention this anti-EU old people narrative leaves out the fact these old people were the exact same ones who overwhelmingly voted pro-EU in the last referendum.

    The real shame post referendum is the state of party politics here in the UK. We really need to ensure this exit is managed as well as possible and we have a leaderless Tory part, an SNP that isn't committed to the UK, and a Labour party that has been ineffective for going on a decade now. Can't believe I'm thinking it but I genuinely wish we still had Blair around. If we leave out the small matter of Iraq, as a leader he was head and shoulders above the clowns on offer now.

    When you see how the world is reacting not just to the UK but to the effect on the EU, I just can't get over how stupid European leaders were to push Cameron so hard in those renegotiations. In such a close vote if he could have come home with something other than **** all this wouldn't have happened.
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    (Original post by atom y humber)
    I hope you don't go by that website. Even urban dictionary is more accurate. Wiki is always goat for these sort of things https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

    If that dictionary is right then we live in an undemocratic world. No reasonable person has claimed that. My premise is reality- everyone wants different thing and would never be pleased. Your premise seems to believe that you can get ordinary people to compromise which is just fanciful Disney tale.

    Look at what just happened we held a vote the result didn't please the minority now they want to force another vote. And your premise is that we should have another so we please them. Same thing happend at the last ge. How is anything going to get done? We'd still be debating how to deal with the recession. You can try and talk but people don't change their mind. That's reality. You'll be stuck in first gear forever.

    I voted remain though.
    It's a dictionary? Your wiki link says exactly the same thing:

    Democracy, or democratic government, is "a system of government in which all the people of a state or polity ... are involved in making decisions about its affairs, typically by voting to elect representatives to a parliament or similar assembly"

    Maybe you just can't draw a distinction between a true democracy and the practicality issues that would come with it but my point is still valid.

    Democracy isn't that we have to get everyone to agree on the same thing - usually it is that majority rules. I haven't said otherwise. I was just pointing out if you isolate yourself then you can't partake in the democratic discussion of at least having your opinion heard.

    That's not my premise at all - the majority voted so we're going to have to live with it whether we like it or not. My point was more about someone like Luke who had the opportunity to vote but then decided not to - he can't (and isn't) then complain about the result. The same analogy extends to the EU - we're likely to still be bound by what they decide because of the linked benefits but now we won't be able to have any influence on it.

    Seems like we've misunderstood each other.
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    Despite voting remain a second referendum that people are going wild for isn't going to happen. There's no political will for it.

    Also lol @ Cornwall, overwhelmingly voted leave, has now been told it's going to lose £400million of funding for public projects by 2020 due to Brexit.

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    The most mind boggling decision is for Wales to vote leave. We get so much funding from the EU, as Westminster leaves us to rot. Asked an out voter why he voted that way and he replied with immigrants. Can honestly say that the amount of immigrants in Wales and the valleys, in particular, is exceptionally low. There's the odd Pole, but the ones I've come across are very hard working.

    I love Wales and its people, but the older generation are so narrow minded and most are thick as ****. Can't critically evaluate and stuck in their 1970's mind sets.
 
 
 
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